Problem Involving Ring's gravitational force and velocity of distant partice

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A uniform circular ring of radius R exerts gravitational force on a particle placed on its axis, which falls towards the ring and reaches a maximum speed v. When the ring's radius is doubled to 2R while maintaining the same linear mass density, the maximum speed of the particle remains v, contrary to initial assumptions. The confusion arose from not accounting for the doubling of the mass along with the radius, which cancels out the effects on speed. The solution can be simplified using conservation of energy rather than complex kinematics. Understanding that both mass and radius change proportionally clarifies why the maximum speed remains unchanged.
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Homework Statement


A uniform circular ring of radius R is fixed in place. A particle is placed on the axis of the ring
at a distance much greater than R and allowed to fall towards the ring under the influence of the ring’s gravity. The particle achieves a maximum speed v. The ring is replaced with one of the same(linear) mass density but radius 2R, and the experiment is repeated. What is the new maximum speed of the particle?

[a.] .5v [b.] v/sqrt(2) [c.] v [d.] sqrt(2)v [e.] 2v

(The answer is [c.] v. I don't know why)

Homework Equations



F = GMm/r^2 = m*dv/dt


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know if I'm overcomplicating things but here's what I did.

I set up a differential equation, letting r equal the distance between the particle and the edge of the ring and M being the mass of the ring. (R is the radius of the ring, as stated in the problem)

so F = ma

GM/(R+r)^2 = dv/dt (the mass of the particle cancels)

I then used the chain rule to get rid of the variable t.

dv/dt = dv/dr *dr/dt. dr/dt = v, so dv/dt = vdv/dr.

GM(dr)/(R+r)^2 = vdv

I integrated both sides, the left side of the equation has limits of integration from 0 to D, the maximum distance between the particle and the ring. The right side of the equation has limits of integration from 0 to v, the maximum velocity of the particle.

After simplifying, I got an expression for v in terms of R.

v = sqrt((2D)/(RD + R^2)). (I took out the constants G and M, because they weren't important.)

D is just a constant, so when R changes by a factor of 2, v changes by a factor of 1/sqrt(2). However, the answer key says that the velocity stays constant regardless if R doubles. Can somebody please help me?
 
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ur answer seems to be overly complicated to me. Here is my solution:
-GMm/r=-GMm/R + 1/2 m v^2 . r being the distance between the particle and centre of the ring.
from here u will get v = sqrt. 2GM(1/R-1/r) which can be reduced to sqrt.2GM/R since R<< r. Then it easily follows the answer. because if u double the radius without changing the linear density then M will be doubled and same for the radius and hence they will cancel out and won't affect the answer.
 
oh shoot! I forgot that the mass doubles as well as the radius. Yes, I was overcomplicating things by using kinematics rather than using conservation of energy...

But the thing that was messing me up was not doubling the mass as well as the radius.
 
Thanks!
 
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