Problem on quadratic polynomial.

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The discussion revolves around a quadratic polynomial represented by the equation y=ax²+bx+c, with a focus on analyzing its graph and determining the validity of several statements regarding its coefficients based on the graph's characteristics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the graph's concavity and the conditions for real roots of the quadratic equation. They question the validity of statements regarding the coefficients a, b, and c based on the graph's behavior at the x and y axes.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's reasoning. Some participants have offered guidance on interpreting the graph's concavity and its implications for the coefficients, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the relationships between the coefficients and the graph's features.

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Participants note that they are working within the constraints of their current educational level, which limits the use of advanced calculus concepts. There is also a recognition of the need to adhere to forum rules regarding the provision of complete solutions.

  • #31
Morgoth said:
Not quite right. Squaring is going to mix up everything in your mind, because even if you square -1 you will get +1, and then will you go tell that -1>0 because its square is (+1)>0?

Because that's what you do when you type me:"So b2>0 => b>0" in your previous post.b2 >0 (for b in ℝ) means that b<0 or b>0 but surely not 0.

So be careful when squaring. Another thing is that you have:
+4 > -6
squaring:
16 > 36 ?Another example:
-1 < 0
squaring:
1<0 !and one last for another reason:
let's say you have one number A and one number B, for which you know that their squares will also follow the below rule:
A2 > B2

What you can say for A and B?
the above rule tells you that:
A>B
or
A<-B

for example on this is to try find which number x is:
x2 > 2
the answer is that:
x<-√2 or x>+√2

x2<2
gives
-√2 < x < +√2
even when you have equalities it is being difficult.
If you have tha a=b then you can say that a2=b2 here without a problem (as there was with -1<0 above)
On the other hand
if you have that a2=b2 then you write that a= ±b.

Ok , I was fully messed up until I discovered the correct answer by a correct method using your logic only !

Product of two roots or c/a< 0
And mean of two roots or -b/2a>0
Now on dividing the two I get :
i.e. c/a/-b/2a <0
2c/-b < 0 because +/- gives - , its obvious !
now b has to positive ! So b>0. As c/a <0 here you can see that a<0.

ehild said:
Your parabola in post #1 is not a real parabola but it has maximum at x=0. So it must be symmetric to the y axis. It would be useful to see the original picture or a better copy of the original.
If the maximum is really at x=0, what is b then?

ehild

If the maximum is really at x=0, then b>0 is what I concluded by my discovery on this aspect.
 
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  • #32
sankalpmittal said:
If the maximum is really at x=0, then b>0 is what I concluded by my discovery on this aspect.

The maximum or minimum of a quadratic function is at x=-b/2a. (Why?) If it is at x=0, b=0

ehild
 
  • #33
I shall repeat only one thing:
The mean value you can only check if your axis is CALIBRATED. in a general axis where you don't know if x1,x2 you cannot use it.
if x1=-4 and x2=2 then the mean value is at -1<0.
if x1=-1 and x2=5 then the meave value is at +3>0.
when you don't know or have no clue where is each of the two, you CANNOT use it.

For example in your graph i get that the mean value is positive, but i cannot be sure because it is not so obvious.
 
  • #34
ehild said:
The maximum or minimum of a quadratic function is at x=-b/2a. (Why?) If it is at x=0, b=0

ehild

Are you taking in account mean value of x ? If yes , then mean value of x is 0 as x is itself 0. Mean of x=-b/2a => 0=-b/2a => b=0.

Morgoth said:
I shall repeat only one thing:
The mean value you can only check if your axis is CALIBRATED. in a general axis where you don't know if x1,x2 you cannot use it.
if x1=-4 and x2=2 then the mean value is at -1<0.
if x1=-1 and x2=5 then the meave value is at +3>0.
when you don't know or have no clue where is each of the two, you CANNOT use it.

For example in your graph i get that the mean value is positive, but i cannot be sure because it is not so obvious.

I saw no reason to post this thing ! Anyways in my original graph which was drawn in exam paper I could easily see that +x is many times greater than magnitude of x in -x. So mean value will be positive.
 

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