Problem on thermal radiation and lenses

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to thermal radiation and the behavior of lenses, specifically focusing on the image formation of the Sun through a convex lens. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the calculation of the image diameter and the concept of angular diameter in the context of lens optics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to calculate the diameter of the image formed by the lens, questioning the meaning of "angular diameter" and its relevance to the problem. They also inquire about the significance of the lens diameter in this context.
  • Some participants discuss the nature of light rays from the Sun and how they interact with the lens, noting that rays from different points on the Sun can focus at the same point, which contributes to the formation of an actual image.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on specific concepts such as angular diameter. There is an exchange of ideas regarding the behavior of light rays and their implications for image formation, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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The problem includes constraints such as the lens diameter being 100mm and the distance to the focus being 500mm, which are relevant to the calculations being discussed. The original poster's confusion indicates a need for further exploration of the underlying principles of optics.

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Homework Statement
Please see the attached photo
Relevant Equations
P (rad) = sigma e0 T^4
At long distances, images due to convex lenses are formed at the foci.
Screenshot 2021-03-13 at 2.32.22 PM.png

I know that the Sun is at a very far distance from the lens, so I assume the rays are parallel and the image is formed at the focus (500mm away from the centre of the lens).
How do I calculate the diameter of the image?
The hint to solving this problem says that "The angular diameters of object and image are equal". What is the "angular diameter", and what does the hint mean? If the light rays intersect at a focal point, how can there even be a diameter? Furthermore, how is the fact that the lens diameter = 100mm useful?

I am quite confused by this question, any help is appreciated. Thank you!
 
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phantomvommand said:
Homework Statement:: Please see the attached photo
Relevant Equations:: P (rad) = sigma e0 T^4
At long distances, images due to convex lenses are formed at the foci.

View attachment 279679
I know that the Sun is at a very far distance from the lens, so I assume the rays are parallel and the image is formed at the focus (500mm away from the centre of the lens).
How do I calculate the diameter of the image?
The hint to solving this problem says that "The angular diameters of object and image are equal". What is the "angular diameter", and what does the hint mean? If the light rays intersect at a focal point, how can there even be a diameter? Furthermore, how is the fact that the lens diameter = 100mm useful?

I am quite confused by this question, any help is appreciated. Thank you!
A ray arriving from a point at one edge of the sun, as observed from Earth, is not quite parallel with a ray from the opposite edge, so they will not focus at the same point.
OTOH, rays from one point on the sun arriving at different points of the lens are effectively parallel, so do focus at the same point.
As a result, an actual image of the sun is produced, spots and all.
 
haruspex said:
A ray arriving from a point at one edge of the sun, as observed from Earth, is not quite parallel with a ray from the opposite edge, so they will not focus at the same point.
OTOH, rays from one point on the sun arriving at different points of the lens are effectively parallel, so do focus at the same point.
As a result, an actual image of the sun is produced, spots and all.
Thanks for the reply. Could you please explain what angular diameter is about?
 

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