Problem related to the vector potential of B

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The discussion revolves around the vector potential A in the context of a particle with mass m and charge q moving in a time-independent magnetic field B(r). Participants are exploring the relationship between the vector potential and the magnetic field, particularly focusing on the expression for the time derivative of A as perceived by the particle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the magnetic field being time-independent and how this affects the vector potential A. There is an exploration of the expression (v.∇)A and its validity, as well as the relationship between A and B given that ∇.B = 0. Questions arise regarding the transformation of ∇ in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and clarifications. Some have provided additional context, such as referencing the original question paper for better understanding. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, and while some participants feel they are nearing a resolution, others express the need for further study of vector calculus identities.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the condition ∇.B = 0 and its implications for the vector potential. There is also mention of the need to understand the mathematical identities involved in vector calculus to fully grasp the problem.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m and charge q moves in a region with a magnetic field B(r) which is time independent. What is \frac{dA}{dt} as seen by the particle.

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Since the B field is not varying with time, I know that the change in A will be due to the change in position of particle with time. It should be (∂A/∂x)vx + (∂A/∂y)vy + (∂A/∂z)vz . So can it be (v.∇)A. But I cannot seem to be able to go furthur.
 
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A is a scalar, so (v.∇)A n= v.(∇A), right? And ∇A =?
 
I am sorry I forgot to add that in the question it was given that since ∇.B = 0 , therefore we can write B = ∇XA , where A is a vector. So I am not sure that we can use the transformation of ∇ in the expression.
 
OK, I see. What makes you think (v.∇)A is an inadequate answer?
 
haruspex , I got hold of the original question paper today and have attached a screenshot of it. Please take a look at it to clearly understand the question , since I might not have explained it properly.

Since (dp/dt) = F = q(vXB) , hence if we can show that ∇X{d/dt( p + qA)} = 0 , it would mean that (d/dt(p + qA)) is a gradient of some function. But I haven't been able to prove that ∇X{d/dt( p + qA)} = 0 , by using dA/dt = (v.∇)A .
 

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##\frac{d\vec{p}}{dt} =q\vec{v}\times\vec{B}##
##\frac{d}{dt}\left(\vec{p}+q \vec{A}\right) = q \vec{v}\times \vec{B}+q \left( \vec{v}.\vec{\nabla} \right) \vec{A} = q \vec{v}\times \left( \vec{\nabla}\times\vec{A}\right)+q \left( \vec{v}.\vec{\nabla} \right) \vec{A} ##
Here I venture into areas I know even less about, based what I read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curl_%28mathematics%29:
## \vec{v}\times \left(\vec{\nabla}\times\vec{A}\right) = \vec{\nabla_A}\left(\vec{v}.\vec{A}\right) - \left(\vec{v}.\vec{\nabla}\right)\vec{A}##
So
##\frac{d}{dt}\left(\vec{p}+q \vec{A}\right) = q \vec{\nabla_A}\left(\vec{v}.\vec{A}\right)##
Does that help?
 
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Thanks, that actually solves the problem. Although I will have to read up on the identities of vector calculus to feel satisfied on this question.
 

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