Problem with averages and standard deviation.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving averages and standard deviation related to the retail price of grapes and butter. Participants explore how to set up the problem and what information is necessary to solve it, particularly regarding the distribution of the data.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the problem setup and questions how to solve it, noting they received conflicting feedback about its solvability.
  • Another participant points out the inconsistency in the problem, as it mentions grapes but then refers to butter, suggesting this may contribute to the confusion.
  • Some participants highlight the need for information about the distribution of the data to proceed with solving the problem, questioning whether it is normally distributed.
  • One participant proposes that if the price is uniformly distributed, it could be solvable using the mean and standard deviation formulas for uniform distributions.
  • Another participant suggests that assuming a normal distribution might not be appropriate since prices cannot be negative.
  • Several participants discuss the relationship between the standard deviation of a sample and the original problem, with some expressing skepticism about their relevance to the grapes question.
  • One participant speculates that the problem could be approached by considering the area under a normal curve but acknowledges that this is a stretch.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical approach using uniform distribution, proposing a system of equations to find the bounds for the price of grapes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that additional information about the distribution is necessary to solve the problem, but there is no consensus on how to approach it or whether it can be definitively solved given the current information.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clarity regarding the distribution of prices and the implications this has for solving the problem. The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the data and its distribution.

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I had this problem on a quiz and obviously got it wrong, I am confused about how to set this question up and what to solve for:

In a large city, the average retail price of a pound of grapes is $1.79, with a standard deviation of 18 cents. Between what values must be the price of at least 15/16 of all pounds of butter sold in this city?

I posted this question in another forum and somebody told me that it was unsolvable but obviously it can be if I got it wrong...
 
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I have moved this thread to our Basic Probability and Statistics subforum as it is a better fit.

The question gives information about grapes, and then asks about butter. Perhaps this is why you were told is it unanswerable.

Assuming we are talking about the same product, are you told anything about the distribution of the data? Are they normally distributed?
 
nickar1172 said:
I had this problem on a quiz and obviously got it wrong, I am confused about how to set this question up and what to solve for:

In a large city, the average retail price of a pound of grapes is $1.79, with a standard deviation of 18 cents. Between what values must be the price of at least 15/16 of all pounds of butter sold in this city?

I posted this question in another forum and somebody told me that it was unsolvable but obviously it can be if I got it wrong...

Of course the problem is solvable if you have some type of information abut the p.d.f. of the r.v. ... for example if the price [that we call P...] is uniformely distributed from a to b the its mean value is $\mu = \frac{a + b}{2}$ and the standard deviation is $\sigma = \frac{b-a}{\sqrt{12}}$ and You can esasily find a and b...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
it was a typo its supposed to be grapes and grapes, still looking for help please
 
nickar1172 said:
it was a typo its supposed to be grapes and grapes, still looking for help please

Have you been given any information regarding distribution of the data?
 
MarkFL said:
Have you been given any information regarding distribution of the data?

No this was all I was given, what type of distribution is also needed because there is an a) part which stated: using the computing formula, find the standard deviatin of the sample:

2, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1
 
nickar1172 said:
No this was all I was given, what type of distribution is also needed because there is an a) part which stated: using the computing formula, find the standard deviatin of the sample:

2, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1

The formulas for sample standard deviation $s$ are:

$$s=\sqrt{\frac{\sum\left(x-\overline{x} \right)^2}{n-1}}$$

$$s=\sqrt{\frac{n\left(\sum x^2 \right)-\left(\sum x \right)^2}{n(n-1)}}$$

Can you proceed?
 
I got the standard deviation for that question but what does that have to do with the original question that I posted about the grapes?
 
nickar1172 said:
I got the standard deviation for that question but what does that have to do with the original question that I posted about the grapes?

I don't see that the two are related.
 
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exactly my point taken HOW do you solve the original question...
 
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Does anyone know how to solve this?

In a large city, the average retail price of a pound of grapes is $1.79, with a standard deviation of 18 cents. Between what values must be the price of at least 15/16 of all pounds of grapes sold in this city?
 
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nickar1172 said:
Does anyone know how to solve this?

In a large city, the average retail price of a pound of grapes is $1.79, with a standard deviation of 18 cents. Between what values must be the price of at least 15/16 of all pounds of grapes sold in this city?

I might be wrong (stats is not a strong area for me), but I really think you need information regarding the distribution of the data.
 
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The only way I could see answering this problem would be to assume that $\dfrac{15}{16}$ of the area of a normal curve for price is connected to that amount of sales, but that's a stretch. It's a weird problem and I feel (like others) that something is off.
 
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nickar1172 said:
Does anyone know how to solve this?

In a large city, the average retail price of a pound of grapes is $1.79, with a standard deviation of 18 cents. Between what values must be the price of at least 15/16 of all pounds of grapes sold in this city?

The question can be answered if You get some hypothesis on the p.d.f. of the price P. It must be P>0, so that a normal distribution probably isn't appropriate. In... http://mathhelpboards.com/basic-probability-statistics-23/problem-averages-standard-deviation-8093.html#post37192

... the case of uniform distribution between a and b is considered and in that case is $\displaystyle \mu= \frac{b + a}{2}$ and $\displaystyle \sigma= \frac{b - a}{\sqrt{12}}$. The data You have permit fo find a and b solving the linear system... $\displaystyle b + a = 3.58$$\displaystyle b - a = .18\ \sqrt{12}\ (1)$

... and You obtain a = 1.48 and b = 2.1. The $\frac{15}{16}$ of prices lie in the interval 1.5 < P < 2.08 ...

Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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