Problem with changing basis in Hilbert space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the expansion theorem in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the representation of quantum states in different Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the conditions under which a state can be expressed as a linear combination of eigenstates of Hermitian operators, with a focus on the relationship between spin states and energy eigenstates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the expansion theorem implies a general state can be represented by eigenstates of any Hermitian operator, questioning the applicability to spin states in relation to energy eigenstates.
  • Another participant challenges this implication, suggesting that spin states and energy states can be represented independently within their respective Hilbert spaces.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that the theorem may not universally apply to all Hermitian operators, citing the Hamiltonian of a harmonic oscillator as a specific case where this is relevant.
  • This participant also states that spin states and coordinate wave functions belong to different Hilbert spaces, thus complicating the representation of states across these spaces.
  • A later reply acknowledges the difficulty in proving that eigenfunctions of every Hermitian operator form a basis, suggesting that this is often assumed rather than proven.
  • Another participant expresses a realization that the theorem applies only when observables belong to the same Hilbert space, indicating a shift in understanding based on the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the expansion theorem across different Hilbert spaces, with no consensus reached on the implications of the theorem for spin and energy states.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of the expansion theorem to all Hermitian operators and the relationship between different Hilbert spaces, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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The expansion theorem in quantum mechanics states that a general state of a system can be represented by a unique linear combination of the eigenstates of any Hermitian operator.

If that's the case then that would imply we would be able to represent the spin state of a particle in terms of it's energy eigenstates for example however surely it's impossible to do this for a particle in an infinite square well for instance, since the energy eigenstates are independent of spin.
 
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I don't see how that implication comes from the statement... You can represent the spin with a unique linear combination of the spin eigenstates, you can represent the energy state as a linear combination of energy eigenstates. Is this not right?
 
There are two difficulties.

... a general state of a system can be represented by a unique linear combination of the eigenstates of any Hermitian operator.

This is not necessarily always true. In quantum theory, it can be proven only for certain operators. I think perhaps the Hamiltonian of a harmonic oscillator is a good example in this respect. But I have read somewhere that it is difficult to prove generally that eigenfunctions of every Hermitian operator will form a basis. Often this has to be just assumed.

we would be able to represent the spin state of a particle in terms of it's energy eigenstates for example

No, of course this is not so. The above theorem or assumption applies to single Hilbert space. Spin state and coordinate wave functions belong to different Hilbert spaces.
 
Jano L. said:
[...] But I have read somewhere that it is difficult to prove generally that eigenfunctions of every Hermitian operator will form a basis.[...]

Indeed, the nuclear spectral theorem is hard to prove, but nonetheless correct.

Jano L said:
[...] Often this has to be just assumed.[...].

It's always assumed, if you minimize the mathematical rigurosity of your treatment.

Jano L said:
[...] The above theorem or assumption applies to single Hilbert space. Spin state and coordinate wave functions belong to different Hilbert spaces.

The product of the two (i.e. the wavefunction of the system) belongs to the direct product (rigged) Hilbert space.
 
Ah okay fair enough guys, I thought it literally meant a wavefunction could be expanded as the eigenstates of any Hermitian operator, so basically the theorem is true only if the observables belong to the same Hilbert space?

Thanks for the replies :)
 

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