Problem with natural units in Cosmology

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The discussion revolves around the radiation energy density formula in cosmology, specifically the expression for today's radiation energy density, which appears dimensionally incorrect. The user suggests a revised formula that incorporates the reduced Planck constant (ħ) instead of the Planck constant (h) to achieve dimensional correctness. It is clarified that using ħ aligns with the convention of setting ħ equal to 1 in natural units, while the inclusion of an extra factor of (2π)³ is unnecessary. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the distinctions between h and ħ in cosmological calculations. Ultimately, the correct formulation resolves the dimensional issues presented in the original equation.
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Reading about the raditation dominated era I saw that the radiation energy density today was given by:

<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* T^4 = 8.09 * 10^{-34} g/cm^3<br />

where g_*=3.36 is the degree of freedom of the radiation (equivalent) and T=2.75 K is the CBR temperature today.

The problem is that they don't give me the exact expression and so this relation seems to be dimensionally wrong. I suppose that the full relation must be

<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* \frac{(kT)^4}{(hc)^3}<br />

and this way the relation would be dimensionally correct. But when I put the values on it I get

<br /> \rho_r = 2.88 * 10^{-22} J/cm^3 = 3.20 * 10^{-36} g/cm^3<br />

and this is by far wrong. I have spend so much time around this that I am starting to get frustrated!
Thanks in advance
 
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Magister said:

Homework Statement


Reading about the raditation dominated era I saw that the radiation energy density today was given by:

<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* T^4 = 8.09 * 10^{-34} g/cm^3<br />

where g_*=3.36 is the degree of freedom of the radiation (equivalent) and T=2.75 K is the CBR temperature today.

The problem is that they don't give me the exact expression and so this relation seems to be dimensionally wrong. I suppose that the full relation must be

<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* \frac{(kT)^4}{(hc)^3}<br />

and this way the relation would be dimensionally correct. But when I put the values on it I get

<br /> \rho_r = 2.88 * 10^{-22} J/cm^3 = 3.20 * 10^{-36} g/cm^3<br />

and this is by far wrong. I have spend so much time around this that I am starting to get frustrated!
Thanks in advance
If you use \hbar instead of "h" in your equation, it works out (the result is (2 \pi)^3 times larger).

Patrick
 
Humm! You mean:
<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* \frac{(kT)^4}{(\hbar c)^3} (2\pi)^3<br />

Yes, in fact it works out but does this make any sense? Is this because that in natural units is the \hbar that is equal to 1 instead of h?

Thanks a lot by the way!
 
Magister said:
Humm! You mean:
<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* \frac{(kT)^4}{(\hbar c)^3} (2\pi)^3<br />

Yes, in fact it works out but does this make any sense? Is this because that in natural units is the \hbar that is equal to 1 instead of h?

Thanks a lot by the way!
EDIT : No, this is not what I mean You don't have to put in the extra factor of (2 pi)^3. I mean
<br /> \rho_r = \frac{\pi^2}{30} g_* \frac{(kT)^4}{(\hbar c)^3}<br />
This result will be (2 pi)^3 times larger than the equation written with only h.


That's what I mean, yes. Usually, by "natural units", people mean that they set \hbar equal to 1, not "h". Of course, one could also decide to set h to one instead, but this is not what is usually done.

You are very welcome.

Patrick
 
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