Problem with summing a divergent series

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical issues related to summing divergent series, specifically focusing on the series of powers of 2. Participants explore the implications of manipulating divergent series, particularly through substitution and multiplication, and question the validity of certain algebraic rules in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method of summing the series 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ... by substituting (2-1) for 1, leading to a result of -1, and questions the uniqueness of this substitution compared to (3-2).
  • Another participant points out that the rule for cancelling terms in series, ##\sum a_n - \sum b_n = \sum (a_n - b_n)##, only holds when both series are convergent, suggesting that standard algebraic rules do not apply to divergent series.
  • A participant reiterates the cancellation argument and attempts to clarify the manipulation of the series, indicating that the series remains divergent despite the operations performed.
  • There is a suggestion that the method discussed may only be valid for convergent geometric series, raising further questions about the conditions under which such manipulations are permissible.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of manipulating divergent series and the applicability of algebraic rules. There is no consensus on the correctness of the methods discussed or the implications of the substitutions made.

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Limitations include the dependence on the convergence of series and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the manipulations discussed.

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Hello,

The point of this thread is to find the mathematical error in summing divergent series. For example the series: 1+2+4+8+16+32+64+...+... (doubling the numbers, or alternatively: increasing powers of 2).

I've seen the argument that you multiply the series by 1, then substitute (2-1) for 1. All of the terms cancel except for -1 (the series appears to add to -1).

Now, I tried the same thing but by substituting (3-2) for 1 instead of (2-1), and the series still tends to infinity, which leads me to believe the (-1) of the (2-1) is somehow special.

But also, I noticed that two infinite power series can be multiplied. For example, the series for e^x and the series for sin(x) can be multiplied term wise to give the series for sin(x)e^x.

So my two questions are:

1.) Where is the mathematical fault in the procedure first described? I originally thought you can't multiply a scalar by an infinite series, but it seems that if you can multiply two infinite series you ought to be able to multiply a scalar by an infinite series.

2.) Also, why does substituting (3-2) instead of (2-1) change the result? Thanks a ton in advance,

Lee
 
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1) The rule ##\sum a_n-\sum b_n=\sum(a_n-b_n)##, which is used here to cancel terms, is only necessarily true when both ##\sum a_n## and ##\sum b_n## are convergent.

2) Standard rules of algebra aren't necessarily true for divergent series.
 
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I've seen the argument that you multiply the series by 1, then substitute (2-1) for 1. All of the terms cancel except for -1 (the series appears to add to -1).

Now, I tried the same thing but by substituting (3-2) for 1 instead of (2-1), and the series still tends to infinity, which leads me to believe the (-1) of the (2-1) is somehow special.

You definitely can multiply an infinite series by a constant, but I am guessing you aren't cancelling the terms correctly. Consider just the sum going to N, and you can take the limit N→∞ afterwards:

<br /> \sum_{i=0}^{N}2^i = (2-1)\sum_{i=0}^N 2^i = \left(2 + 4 + 8 + \cdots + \cdots 2\cdot 2^N\right) -\left(1+2+4+\cdots + 2^N\right)=2\cdot 2^N -1<br />

which you can see is still divergent.
 
gopher_p said:
1) The rule ##\sum a_n-\sum b_n=\sum(a_n-b_n)##, which is used here to cancel terms, is only necessarily true when both ##\sum a_n## and ##\sum b_n## are convergent.

2) Standard rules of algebra aren't necessarily true for divergent series.

That was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
 
So this method can only be used in summing a convergent, geometric series?

S=\displaystyle\large\sum\limits_{i=0}^{\infty} 2^i = 2S+1

Then S=-1
 

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