Produce Methane Via CO2 + H2O ?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of producing methane through the reaction of carbon dioxide and water, particularly focusing on the thermodynamic aspects and potential methods, including the Sabatier process and artificial photosynthesis. The scope includes theoretical considerations, chemical reactions, and the role of catalysts and heat in the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the standard combustion enthalpy of methane and applies Hess's law to suggest that the reverse reaction (producing methane from CO2 and H2O) is endothermic and requires heat input.
  • Another participant references the Sabatier process, implying that simply supplying heat may not be sufficient for the reaction to occur.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of producing byproducts such as carbon monoxide and elemental carbon, which complicate the production of methane.
  • A participant discusses the implications of temperature and pressure on the equilibrium of the reaction, suggesting that increasing temperature may favor product formation, while pressure may not have a significant effect due to equal reaction coefficients.
  • The concept of artificial photosynthesis is introduced as a method to produce fuel from CO2 and water, although challenges in finding suitable catalysts are acknowledged.
  • There is a specific inquiry about the possibility of achieving the reverse reaction without sunlight and catalysts, focusing on a thermochemical approach that relies on heat input.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of producing methane from CO2 and water, with some emphasizing the challenges and potential byproducts, while others explore the theoretical conditions under which the reaction might occur. No consensus is reached regarding the practicality of the proposed methods.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific reaction conditions, the potential for byproducts, and the unresolved role of catalysts and heat in facilitating the reaction.

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Individuals interested in chemical engineering, renewable energy production, and thermodynamics may find the discussion relevant.

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it is known that the standard combustion enthalpy of methane is -882 kJ/mol

CH4 + 2 O2 --> CO2 + 2 H2O Hc = -882 kJ

based on hess's law, if a reaction is reversed, so does with the enthalpy

CO2 + 2 H2O --> CH4 + 2 O2 Hc = +882 kJ

which makes the reversed reaction become endothermic. if the system provides enough heat for the reaction (+882 kJ) to be absorbed, would the reaction just simply happen ?? or is there anything else to be considered ?

help me please……
 
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You should also take in mind that this is not the only possible reaction. Especially you will also get carbon monoxide, CO, and elementary carbon. That's why you will probably never get methane when heating CO2 and water.
 
wait…..the enthalpy of sabatier process is negative, while the reversed-reaction above is positive. so i think it is quite different.

if i increase the temperature, the equilibrium will shift to the right (product region). increasing pressure would not affect the equilibrium since the product and reactant region have the same reaction coefficient. and the need of catalyst (?).

i have read about how fuel could be produced if carbon dioxide and water reacted with sunlight + catalyst (it's called 'artificial photosynthesis'), but it's a bit arduous to find and synthesize the appropriate catalyst.

some people reported that they found methanol and formic acid, instead of methane.

i just wanted to know if it's possible to carry out the reversed-reaction without sunlight and catalyst, based on thermochemistry approach, not photochemistry approach. (by provide sufficient heat or find any catalyst maybe ?)

what should i seek ?

thank youuu
 
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