Prof that it is not possible to get a standing wave.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of standing waves generated from the superposition of two plane waves with the same amplitude but different frequencies. The original poster attempts to analyze the resulting expression and determine whether it can represent a standing wave.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the mathematical representation of the wave superposition and question the conditions under which a standing wave can be formed. The original poster seeks to understand how to argue that the derived expression does not represent a standing wave, particularly focusing on the decoupling of position and time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing insights into the conditions for standing waves and questioning the assumptions made regarding frequency values. There is an exploration of the implications of frequency signs and their relevance to the problem.

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Participants are examining the implications of using frequencies that are both positive and negative, and how this affects the interpretation of the resulting wave expression. The original poster is also considering the constraints of the homework problem regarding the definitions and properties of standing waves.

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Homework Statement


As in the Title starting from two planewaves with the same amplitude, but different frequency.

Homework Equations


Starting from
Ae^{i(kx +\omega_1 t)} + Ae^{i(kx +\omega_2 )}

The Attempt at a Solution



I got as far as

Ae^{i(kx +\omega_1 t)} + Ae^{i(kx +\omega_2 )}
= 2Ae^{ikx} e^{i \frac{\omega_2 + \omega_1}{2} t} \cos \frac{\omega_2 - \omega_1}2 t

taking the real part

= 2A \left( \cos kx \cos{ \frac{\omega_2 + \omega_1}{2} }t - \sin kx \sin { \frac{\omega_2 + \omega_1}{2} } \right) \cos{ \frac{\omega_2 - \omega_1}{2}}

Now how do i argue to conclude that this is definitley not a standing wave? I know that position and time has to be decoupled, but how can I conclude that they are not?

Can this expression be simplified further?

is it enough to say that this is a product of two factors one which depends only on time and one which does depend on both space and time and therefore can not be decoupled?
 
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I would start with an expression that reduces to a standing wave when the frequencies are the same. Does your starting expression do that?
 
Yes it does when \omega_1 = - \omega_2
 
By your logic, if ω1 = 100 Hz, then ω2 = -100 Hz. Is 100 Hz equal to -100 Hz? Do it right and put the minus sign where it belongs. Wave frequencies are always positive.
 

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