Projectile Motion/Dropping an object from the sky

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving an eagle dropping a fish while flying horizontally at 7.9 m/s. Participants are exploring the implications of the fish's horizontal and vertical motion after being released, particularly focusing on how time relates to changes in speed due to gravity.

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  • Participants are questioning the assumptions about the fish's horizontal speed remaining constant and the implications of free fall on its vertical speed. There are discussions about the need for additional variables to solve the problem and the interpretation of speed doubling in both horizontal and vertical contexts.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different interpretations of the problem and questioning the original poster's assumptions. Some have offered insights into the nature of speed and the effects of gravity, while others are seeking clarification on calculations and the meaning of speed doubling.

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There is a noted lack of information regarding the height from which the fish is dropped, which some participants suggest is necessary for a complete analysis. Additionally, the problem's wording and the definitions of speed and velocity are under scrutiny.

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An eagle is flying horizontally at 7.9 m/s with a fish in its claws. It accidentally drops the fish.

(a) How much time passes before the fish's speed doubles?

(b) How much additional time would be required for the fish's speed to double again?


Initial velocity in the x direction is 7.9m/s. I assumed final velocity in x direction was 7.9m/s and acceleration was 0. But when I use the equations to find one of the other unknown variables everything cancels out and I get zero. There is an example in the book, but it gives the height the fish is dropped from. I feel like I need to know another variable in order to solve this.
 
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Are you sure you're reading the question right? If the fish is in free fall the only acceleration on it is due to gravity. The speed in the x direction will NEVER double unless there is some acceleration in the x direction.

The distance may double if you assume it can fall long enough, perhaps that is what the question is after.
 
That's what I did. I had Ax=0 m/s^2, Vix= 7.9 m/s, Ay= -9.8 and Viy= 0 m/s and when I plug them into any equation it is always zero
 
Could you show your calculation?
 
I can find either displacement or time. With either one I get 0.

Vf= Vi + at --> 7.9= 7.9 + (0)t
Vf^2= Vi^2 + 2ax --> 7.9^2= 7.9^2 + 2(0)x
 
Amber430 said:
I can find either displacement or time. With either one I get 0.

Vf= Vi + at --> 7.9= 7.9 + (0)t
Vf^2= Vi^2 + 2ax --> 7.9^2= 7.9^2 + 2(0)x

What are you finding the displacement of or what would you be finding the time of?
 
(a) How much time passes before the fish's speed doubles?

(b) How much additional time would be required for the fish's speed to double again?
 
Amber430 said:
(a) How much time passes before the fish's speed doubles?

(b) How much additional time would be required for the fish's speed to double again?

If the eagle is flying completely horizontal at 7.9m/s when it drops the fish then its speed in the horizontal will remain constant; it will never double. The fish could sail through free space for eternity and it's speed will remain 7.9m/s.

The question would make more sense if the 7.9m/s was downwards and the eagle let go. Because then you're finding out how long it takes the acceleration due to gravity to speed up the fish from -7.9m/s to -15.8m/s.
 
What they are asking in this problem is at what time does the speed double?

Speed is the |velocity|.

Hence if Vx is invariant, the magnitude of the velocity vector will be when

Vy is equal to (√3)*Vx ---> Vx² + ((√3)*Vx )² = (1 + 3)*Vx² = 4*Vx² ---> |New V| = 2*|Vx|

So all you need to determine is how long until the Vy is (√3)*Vx
 

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