Projectile Motion man tosses object

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The problem involves projectile motion, where a man tosses an object with an initial velocity of 20 m/s from a height of 2.0 m to a room that is 10.0 m above the ground. The horizontal distance to the room is 31.8 m, and the goal is to determine the angle at which the object is thrown.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the initial velocity into horizontal and vertical components and using kinematic equations to relate the displacements. There is exploration of substituting time into the equations and questioning the approach to solving for the angle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered suggestions for alternative approaches, such as considering geometric interpretations and using different trigonometric identities. There is recognition of the potential for a quadratic form in the equations, and participants are exploring various methods to manipulate the equations without reaching a consensus on a solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of keeping track of reasoning and suggest avoiding numerical substitutions until the end to prevent confusion. There is also a reminder to consider all available information and potential kinematic equations that may apply.

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Homework Statement



A man tosses object with initial velocity of 20 m/s into a room, and is 2.0 m above the ground. The room is 10.0 m above the ground.

In a provided diagram, the distance from man to room horizontally is 31.8 m.

I am required to solve for the angle of the object as it leaves the mans hand.

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The Attempt at a Solution



vix= 20cosθ
viy= 20sinθ

To solve for θ, I must use the initial velocity given, broken up into components.

Since I am given the vertical displacement (8.0 m) and horizontal displacement (31.8 m) , I can use 2 formulas and substitute one into the other, by isolating t as it is common to both.

dx= vixt
31.8 = 20cosθt
t= 31.8 / 20cosθ

dy= viyt + 0.5ayt2
8.0 = 20sinθt - 4.9t2
8.0 = 20sinθ(31.8 / 20cosθ) - 4.9(31.8 / 20cosθ)2
8.0 = (31.8sinθ / cosθ) - 4.9(2.5281 / cos2θ)
8.0 = (31.8sinθ / cosθ) - (12.39 / cos2θ)

and now I'm stuck... I tried moving to one side and changing to common denominator...

8.0 = (31.8sinθ / cosθ) - (12.39 / cos2θ)

0 = (31.8sinθ / cosθ) - (12.39 / cos2θ) - 8.0

0 = (31.8sinθcosθ - 12.39 - 8.0cos2θ) / cos2θ

0 = 31.8sinθcosθ - 12.39 - 8.0cos2θ

0 = 15.9sin2θ - 12.39 - 8.0(1 - sin2θ)

0 = 15.9sin2θ - 12.39 - 8.0 + 8sin2θ

0 = 8sin2θ + 15.9sin2θ - 20.39

but no luck...

i thought it looked like a quadratic at first, but I don't think it works with sin2θ

any suggestions? thank you :)
 
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Since I am given the vertical displacement (8.0 m) and horizontal displacement (31.8 m) , I can use 2 formulas and substitute one into the other, by isolating t as it is common to both.
... so you have interpreted the question as asking about the direction of the initial velocity vector, given the ball passes through points A and B (going from A to B) and you know the speed at A.

i thought it looked like a quadratic at first, but I don't think it works with sin2θ
... trig identities not helping you - you may be able to do it geometrically seeing ##2\sin^2\theta = 1-\cos2\theta## ... or is there another kinematic equation you haven't considered yet - that may be called into play?
i.e. have you used all the information at your disposal yet?


Notes:
do not put the numbers in until the end or you'll get turned around.
keep track of your reasoning all the way through.
 
Hmmm ... perhaps:
... go back to where it looks like you almost have a quadratic in ##\cos\theta##,
0 = 31.8sinθcosθ - 12.39 - 8.0cos2θ
... multiply through by ##\sec^2\theta## ... from there, Pythagoras should get you a quadratic in ##\tan\theta##.
 
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Mhm. Didnt even notice that it could be changed to secant. Thankyou
 
No worries.
The tan vs sec identities crop up a lot - especially in exams.
 

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