Projectile Motion Problem: Kicking a soccer ball over a fence

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a soccer ball kicked towards a fence. The initial conditions include the ball's mass, initial velocity, angle of projection, and the height of the fence, with the goal of determining whether the ball will clear the fence or hit it.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the ball's trajectory, including the components of initial velocity and the time of flight. There are attempts to clarify the correct use of equations for horizontal and vertical motion, as well as the implications of using different initial speeds.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's calculations, questioning assumptions about the components of motion and the accuracy of their equations. There is a recognition of errors in previous calculations, and some guidance is being offered to correct these misunderstandings.

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The problem is constrained by the specific parameters given in the homework statement, including the initial velocity, angle, and height of the fence. Participants are navigating these constraints while trying to ensure their calculations align with the provided information.

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Homework Statement
A soccer player is practicing their kick on a field. Initially at rest, an 0.8 kilogram ball is kicked directly toward a fence from a distance 25 meters away, as shown above. The ball's velocity as it leaves the kicker's foot is 19 m/s at an angle of 30 degrees above the horizontal. The top of the fence field is 2.5 meters high. The kicker's foot is in contact with the ball for 0.05 seconds. While in flight, the ball doesn't hit any other object, and air resistance is negligible.

Determine whether the ball will hit the fence. If it will, how high up the fence will it hit? If not, how far above the fence will it reach?
Relevant Equations
d = vt + .5at^2
initial velocity y component is (cos30) * 20.

t = 25m / ((cos30) * 20)m/s = 1.45 seconds

d = vt + .5at^2

v= 20sin30

v= 10 , d= 10(1.45s) + .5(-9.8m/s^s)(1.45s)^2

d=4.2m

4.2-2.5 = +1.7m, so the ball will not hit the fence

I need confirmation please
 
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Looks good, except you use ##20 m/s## instead of ##19 m/s## given in the question?
 
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oh I didn't catch that! i'll fix it, thank you
 
salqmander said:
initial velocity y component is (cos30) * 20.
Have another go (and I'm not referring to whether it's 19 or 20).
 
should I use the equation
xf = xi + (vx)i delta t
for time and then
yf = yi + vyi delta t- 1/2g t ^2
 
haruspex said:
Have another go (and I'm not referring to whether it's 19 or 20).
is this right?

xf = xi + (vx)i delta t, xi=0

t = xf / vxi

t = 25m / 19m/s, t = 1.3 seconds
vyi = vi sin theta, vyi = 9.5m/s

yf = yi + vyi delta t- 1/2g t ^2

= 0m + 9.5m/s(1.5) - 0.5(9.8m/s^2)(1.5)^2

yf = 3.2m

3.2-2.5 = +0.7m
 
salqmander said:
is this right?

xf = xi + (vx)i delta t, xi=0

t = xf / vxi

t = 25m / 19m/s, t = 1.3 seconds
vyi = vi sin theta, vyi = 9.5m/s

yf = yi + vyi delta t- 1/2g t ^2

= 0m + 9.5m/s(1.5) - 0.5(9.8m/s^2)(1.5)^2

yf = 3.2m

3.2-2.5 = +0.7m
In post #4 I quoted one of your equations. Why am I finding fault with it?
 
oh its sin not cos
 
salqmander said:
t = xf / vxi

t = 25m / 19m/s, t = 1.3 seconds
Also, do you see a similar problem above?
 
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kuruman said:
Also, do you see a similar problem above?
yes, i solved for horizontal position not vertical position
 
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salqmander said:
yes, i solved for horizontal position not vertical position
That's not it. You solved for the time of flight. Do you see what's wrong with it?
 
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salqmander said:
Homework Statement: A soccer player is practicing their kick on a field. Initially at rest, an 0.8 kilogram ball is kicked directly toward a fence from a distance 25 meters away, as shown above. The ball's velocity as it leaves the kicker's foot is 19 m/s at an angle of 30 degrees above the horizontal. The top of the fence field is 2.5 meters high. The kicker's foot is in contact with the ball for 0.05 seconds. While in flight, the ball doesn't hit any other object, and air resistance is negligible.

Determine whether the ball will hit the fence. If it will, how high up the fence will it hit? If not, how far above the fence will it reach?
Relevant Equations: d = vt + .5at^2

initial velocity y component is (cos30) * 20.

t = 25m / ((cos30) * 20)m/s = 1.45 seconds

d = vt + .5at^2

v= 20sin30

v= 10 , d= 10(1.45s) + .5(-9.8m/s^s)(1.45s)^2

d=4.2m

4.2-2.5 = +1.7m, so the ball will not hit the fence

I need confirmation please
This solution was correct, apart from the typo(?) of y component, rather than x component. It was subsequently used as the x-component. And, the use of the wrong initial speed. Subsequent attempts seem to have deteriorated somewhat!
 
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