Projection of a point from one plane onto another

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The discussion revolves around the projection of a point from one plane to another in a 3D space. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and transformations involved in this projection, including the definitions of planes and coordinate systems.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • CPtolemy seeks to find the coordinates of a point in a new plane P1 defined by the equation Ax + By + Cz = 0, given its coordinates in another plane.
  • There is confusion regarding the terminology used, particularly the definition of a "3D plane" versus "3D space," and the concept of a "normal x-y-z axis."
  • Some participants suggest that the question lacks clarity due to the misuse of terminology, which complicates understanding and providing accurate answers.
  • CPtolemy mentions using rotation equations to solve the problem but finds them complex and is looking for a simpler method.
  • Another participant questions whether the equation of the plane is relative to a standard coordinate system or a different one, suggesting the need for clarity on the coordinate frame being used.
  • There is a suggestion that if the plane does not pass through the origin, simple rotations may not suffice for the transformation needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the clarity of the initial question and the terminology used. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, and multiple views on the definitions and methods remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the clarity of the question and the definitions used, which may affect the ability to provide accurate assistance. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the coordinate systems involved.

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Hi,

In a 3D plane, I have another plane P1 equal to Ax+By+Cz=0 (D=0 since one of its points is (0,0,0) )

If I have the coordinates (x1,y1,z1) in the first plane, what are the cordinates of this point in the P1 plane?

I know the equation of the intersection line. But my calculations are going wrong, I'm afraid... And I thing it's because of the inclination rotations routines...

And I also think that a starting x-axis vector must be defined - from the intersection line.

Can someone help?

Kind regards,

CPtolemy
 
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cptolemy said:
Hi,

In a 3D plane, I have another plane P1 equal to Ax+By+Cz=0 (D=0 since one of its points is (0,0,0) )

If I have the coordinates (x1,y1,z1) in the first plane, what are the cordinates of this point in the P1 plane?

I know the equation of the intersection line. But my calculations are going wrong, I'm afraid... And I thing it's because of the inclination rotations routines...

And I also think that a starting x-axis vector must be defined - from the intersection line.

Can someone help?

Kind regards,

CPtolemy
The equation of the first plane?
 
Hi,

The first plane is the 3D origin normal axis. So it can be, for instance, Ax + By = k (or any other constant), I'm picturing a 3D set - the normal x-y-z axis. Then, in that coordinate system I've created a new plane with an equation referred to that one.

Regards,

CPtolemy
 
cptolemy said:
In a 3D plane
Do you mean "in a 3D space"? A plane is a subset of three-dimensional space.
cptolemy said:
Hi,

The first plane is the 3D origin normal axis.
This makes no sense.
cptolemy said:
So it can be, for instance, Ax + By = k (or any other constant),
I'm picturing a 3D set - the normal x-y-z axis.
?
What does "normal x-y-z axis" mean. There is no x-y-z axis.
cptolemy said:
Then, in that coordinate system I've created a new plane with an equation referred to that one.

Regards,

CPtolemy
 
Hi,

Very technical - still no answer for helping out. I do believe you understood the question. Pointing out terminology is not helpful and just fills these posts with rubbish...

But thanks anyway.

Regards,

CPtolemy
 
cptolemy said:
Very technical - still no answer for helping out. I do believe you understood the question. Pointing out terminology is not helpful and just fills these posts with rubbish...
If you use the terminology incorrectly, it makes it more difficult to understand what you're asking, and to give an accurate answer.

When you start a thread off with "In a 3D plane, I have another plane P1 equal to Ax+By+Cz=0" without telling us about the first plane, you haven't formulated your question very well.

Your question can very likely be answered with a bit of trig and some basic vectors. Based on your misuse of terminology, it's difficult to tell what your level of mathematics knowledge is.
 
Ok,

Let's start from scratch. If I have a plane P1 defined by an equation, isn't that referred to a origin reference frame? That's the frame I'm talking about. P1 equation depends of that initial frame. My question is if I have a 3 dimensional point in that original frame - or reference system if you like - what are its coordinates in P1.
I assume I must define first an x-axis vector - the intersection line.
I've already solved the problem with a set of rotation equations: first a rotation over the z-axis (with the angle of the intersection line / the x-axis origin of P1 in the frame), and then over the x-axis (with the angle of the inclination of P1). But the formulas become complex, even if they work. I'm trying to find an easy way of doing this.

Regards,

CPtolemy
 
cptolemy said:
Ok,

Let's start from scratch. If I have a plane P1 defined by an equation, isn't that referred to a origin reference frame?
If I understand your question, then no. The equation of the plane is relative to the standard coordinate axis system. Are you trying to come up with a different coordinate system, one where two of the axes lie in the plane?

The general form of the equation of a plane is Ax + By + Cz + D = 0. The values of x, y, and z are measured along the usual x-, y-, and z-axes. If you are talking about a different set of axes, they could be called the x'-, y'-, and z'-axes, to distinguish them from the usual axes.
cptolemy said:
That's the frame I'm talking about. P1 equation depends of that initial frame. My question is if I have a 3 dimensional point in that original frame - or reference system if you like - what are its coordinates in P1.
A point in space has three coordinates. Do you know the coordinates of the point? As for your question -- "what are its coordinates in P1?" -- I don't understand what you're asking. Are you asking what the coordinates are in the new coordinate system?
cptolemy said:
I assume I must define first an x-axis vector - the intersection line.
What intersection line? The intersection of the plane with some other plane?
cptolemy said:
I've already solved the problem with a set of rotation equations: first a rotation over the z-axis (with the angle of the intersection line / the x-axis origin of P1 in the frame), and then over the x-axis (with the angle of the inclination of P1). But the formulas become complex, even if they work. I'm trying to find an easy way of doing this.
If what you're calling P1 doesn't go through the origin, I don't think that rotations will do what you're asking. This wikipedia article might be helpful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_transformation.
 

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