Proof: Basis Representation Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the Basis Representation Theorem, specifically focusing on the uniqueness of representations of positive integers in a given base \( k \). Participants are examining the proof of the theorem and questioning the reasoning behind the use of the "less than or equal to" sign in a particular inequality related to the number of representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the Basis Representation Theorem and questions the inequality \( b_{k}(n) \leq b_{k}(n-1) \), asking why it is not an equality or a greater than or equal to sign.
  • Post 2 reiterates the question about the inequality, suggesting that while each representation of \( n \) has at least one associated representation of \( n-1 \), there may be additional unknown representations for \( n-1 \), leading to the conclusion that \( b_{k} \leq b_{k-1} \).
  • Post 3 acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the assumption that \( U = 0 \) and notes that proving \( U = 0 \) would allow for an equality, but this is seen as unnecessary work.
  • Post 4 expresses gratitude for the clarification, indicating that the issue was also puzzling to them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasoning behind the inequality, as there is acknowledgment of uncertainty regarding the existence of unknown representations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the inequality.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on assumptions about the existence of representations and the implications of proving or disproving those assumptions. The reasoning behind the inequality is not fully resolved, leaving open questions about the uniqueness of representations.

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I had a question about the following theorem.

Basis Representation Theorem: Let k be any integer larger than 1. Then, for each positive integer n, there exists a representation

n = a_{0}k^{s} + a_{1}k^{s-1} + ... + a_{s}

where a_{0} \neq 0, and where each a_{i} is nonnegative and less than k. Furthermore, this representation of n is unique; it is called the representation of n to base k.


Proof: Let b_{k}\left(n\right) denote the number of representations of n to the base k. We must show that b_{k}\left(n\right) always equals 1.

Suppose that

n = a_{0}k^{s} + a_{1}k^{s-1} + ... + a_{s-t}k^{t}

where neither a_{0} nor a_{s-t} equals zero. Then

n - 1 = a_{0}k^{s} + a_{1}k^{s-1} + ... + a_{s-t}k^{t} - 1 = a_{0}k^{s} + a_{1}k^{s-1} + ... + \left(a_{s-t} - 1\right)k^{t} + k^{t} - 1 = a_{0}k^{s} + a_{1}k^{s-1} + ... + \left(a_{s-t} - 1\right)k^{t} + \sum_{j=0}^{t-1} \left(k - 1\right)k^{t}

Thus we see that for each representation of n to the base k, we can find a representation of n-1. Consequently,

b_{k}\left(n\right) \leq b_{k}\left(n-1\right)


Question: In the previous line, why is there a "less than or equal to" sign rather than an "equal" or "greater than or equal to" sign?
 
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buffordboy23 said:
Thus we see that for each representation of n to the base k, we can find a representation of n-1. Consequently,

b_{k}\left(n\right) \leq b_{k}\left(n-1\right)


Question: In the previous line, why is there a "less than or equal to" sign rather than an "equal" or "greater than or equal to" sign?

Each b_k representation has at least one associated b_k-1 representation, but there may be b_k-1 representations we don't know about. If there were U >= 0 such unknown representations (in fact U = 0, but we don't know that), then b_k + U = b_k-1, so b_k <= b_k-1.
 
Thanks CRGreathouse.

This is clear now. When first reading the proof, it seemed obvious that U = 0, but this was the flaw in my thinking. So we could use the "equals" sign but only if we first show that U = 0, which is more work than is necessary.
 
Thanks so much! This was really puzzling me too.
 

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