Proof function is bijective check please

  • Thread starter Thread starter tylerc1991
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Function Proof
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the function G defined from \(\mathbb{R}^2\) to a set of functions \(\mathbb{A}\), specifically examining whether G is bijective. The original poster outlines attempts to prove both injectivity and surjectivity of the function, using the form \(g_{ab} = ax + b\) for the elements in \(\mathbb{A}\).

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the equality \(ax + b = cx + d\) and question how this leads to the conclusion that \(a = c\) and \(b = d\). There are discussions about the conditions under which this equality holds and the assumptions made regarding the coefficients.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the reasoning behind the equality of coefficients in polynomial functions. There is a productive exploration of specific cases and methods to demonstrate the relationships between the constants involved. Some participants express a desire for deeper understanding and clarification of the concepts presented.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding assumptions made in the proofs, particularly concerning the nature of the functions and the implications of their equality. Participants reference past experiences with similar questions in academic settings, indicating a personal investment in understanding the material.

tylerc1991
Messages
158
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Define

[itex]\mathbb{A} = \{ g_{ab} : (a, b) \in \mathbb{R}^2, a \neq 0 \}.[/itex]

Define the function [itex]G: \mathbb{R}^2 \to \mathbb{A}[/itex] by the rule

[itex]G\big((a, b)\big) = g_{ab}, \quad (a, b) \in \mathbb{R}^2, a \neq 0.[/itex]

Determine whether [itex]G[/itex] is bijective.

Homework Equations



[itex]g_{ab} = ax + b[/itex].

The Attempt at a Solution



To prove injectivity, we must show that [itex]G\big((a, b)\big) = G\big((c, d)\big) \implies (a, b) = (c, d)[/itex].

Suppose [itex]G\big((a, b)\big) = G\big((c, d)\big)[/itex] for some [itex](a, b), (c, d) \in \mathbb{R}^2[/itex].

By the definition of [itex]G\big((a, b)\big)[/itex],

[itex]g_{ab} = G\big((a, b)\big) = G\big((c, d)\big) = g_{cd}.[/itex]

By the definition of [itex]g_{ab}[/itex],

[itex]ax + b = g_{ab} = g_{cd} = cx + d.[/itex]

This means that [itex]a = c[/itex] and [itex]b = d[/itex], or [itex](a, b) = (c, d)[/itex].

Therefore, [itex]G[/itex] is injective.

To prove surjectivity, we must show that range[itex](G) = \mathbb{A}[/itex].

By definition, range[itex](G) \subseteq \mathbb{A}[/itex].

Choose an element [itex]f_{ab}[/itex] in [itex]\mathbb{A}[/itex].

Then [itex]f_{ab} = ax + b[/itex] such that [itex]a \neq 0[/itex].

Clearly there exists an element [itex]g_{ab}[/itex] in range[itex](G)[/itex] such that [itex] <br /> g_{ab} = ax + b = f_{ab}[/itex], where [itex]a \neq 0[/itex].

Hence, [itex]f_{ab} \in \text{range}(G)[/itex]. This means that [itex]\mathbb{A} <br /> <br /> \subseteq \text{range}(G)[/itex], and hence that range[itex](G) = \mathbb{A}[/itex].

Therefore, [itex]G[/itex] is surjective.

Because [itex]G[/itex] is injective and surjective, [itex]G[/itex] is bijective by definition.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
All is ok, but I would liike you to explain this a little further:


tylerc1991 said:
[itex]ax + b = g_{ab} = g_{cd} = cx + d.[/itex]

This means that [itex]a = c[/itex] and [itex]b = d[/itex], or [itex](a, b) = (c, d)[/itex].

Why does ax+b=cx+d imply a=c and b=d?? You have an equality of functions, how do you use that to prove the equality of the constants?
 
micromass said:
Why does ax+b=cx+d imply a=c and b=d?? You have an equality of functions, how do you use that to prove the equality of the constants?

Suppose [itex]ax + b = cx + d[/itex] and [itex]a \neq c, b \neq d[/itex].

Then [itex]ax + b - cx - d = (a - c)x + (b - d) = 0[/itex] (*) for all [itex]x \in \mathbb{R}[/itex].

But [itex]b \neq d \implies b - d \neq 0[/itex] for all [itex]x \in \mathbb{R}[/itex].

This is a contradiction. Hence [itex]b = d[/itex], and it follows from this fact and equation (*) that [itex]a = c[/itex].
 
Yes, but can't ax+b=0 for all x without a and b being zero?? Why not??

Try to choose specific values for x to prove this.

(the reason I'm persistent in this is that I was once asked this on an oral exam, I didn't answer it as well as my professor liked :biggrin:)
 
micromass said:
Yes, but can't ax+b=0 for all x without a and b being zero?? Why not??

Try to choose specific values for x to prove this.

Hmm, well if we go with the assumptions that I had in my last post, and say that [itex]x = 0[/itex], then we reach the contradiction I had in the last post.

So suppose [itex]x \neq 0[/itex], then manipulating the function I had written above (sorry I am lazy about this)

[itex]x = \frac{-(b - d)}{(a - c)}[/itex]. But [itex]x[/itex] can be any real number, so there exists a value of [itex]x[/itex] that does not equal the fraction.

micromass said:
(the reason I'm persistent in this is that I was once asked this on an oral exam, I didn't answer it as well as my professor liked :biggrin:)

It is a question I took for granted during calculus (when doing partial fractions for instance), we just said well the coefficients must be equal. So I am actually sort of glad that the question went this direction
 
tylerc1991 said:
Hmm, well if we go with the assumptions that I had in my last post, and say that [itex]x = 0[/itex], then we reach the contradiction I had in the last post.

So suppose [itex]x \neq 0[/itex], then manipulating the function I had written above (sorry I am lazy about this)

[itex]x = \frac{-(b - d)}{(a - c)}[/itex]. But [itex]x[/itex] can be any real number, so there exists a value of [itex]x[/itex] that does not equal the fraction.



It is a question I took for granted during calculus (when doing partial fractions for instance), we just said well the coefficients must be equal. So I am actually sort of glad that the question went this direction

OK, that's fine. Let me show you my method anyway:

Say that ax+b=cx+d for all x. Take x=0, then b=d. So we're left with ax=cx. Take x=1, then a=c.

But what if we're given polynomials of higher degree. Or have forbid, series?? Well, here's a method that can be generalized:

Take [itex]ax^2+bx+c=dx^2+ex+f[/itex]. Fill in x=0, to obtain c=f. Take the derivate to obtain [itex]2ax+b=2dx+e[/itex]. Fill in x=0, to obtain b=e. Take the derivative to obtain 2a=2d, or a=d.

If you're ever taking complex analysis, then this method will show up a few times.
 
micromass said:
If you're ever taking complex analysis, then this method will show up a few times.

I've actually taken complex analysis (albeit a VERY elementary introduction). What would you need this algorithm to prove? i.e. what type of problem would you need to show this on?
 
tylerc1991 said:
I've actually taken complex analysis (albeit a VERY elementary introduction). What would you need this algorithm to prove? i.e. what type of problem would you need to show this on?

For example the proof of the identity theorem uses a very similar approach. That is: if two holomorphic functions are equal on a set with a limit point, then they are equal.

Also, when showing that there exists a unique power series representation for each holomorphic function. This algorithm can be used to prove uniqueness...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
2K