Proof Help: Prove ||x-y|| = ||x|| ||y|| ||x bar - y bar||

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the equation ||x-y|| = ||x|| ||y|| ||x bar - y bar||, where x and y are vectors in Rn and u bar is defined by u/(||u||^2). Participants explore different methods to approach the proof, including analytical and geometric techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the equation analytically and mentions that their attempts at expanding the right side lead to complications.
  • Another participant suggests a geometric approach, recommending the drawing of rays from the origin to represent the vectors x and y, and proposes considering the length of the line segment between these points.
  • A participant acknowledges the geometric method but struggles with relating the right side of the equation to the left, questioning how to establish the equivalence.
  • One participant describes a triangle formed by the vectors and suggests reflecting it about the angle bisector to find relationships between the segments.
  • Another participant advocates for an algebraic approach, referencing the formula for the norm of a sum of vectors as a potential solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to prove the equation, with some favoring geometric reasoning and others preferring algebraic techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about how to connect the geometric interpretations to the algebraic formulation of the proof. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the manipulation of the equation and the definitions involved.

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Hi, I am having trouble with this proof, I am wondering what to do because the way I have attempted it is incorrect.

I want to prove

||x-y|| = ||x|| ||y|| ||x bar - y bar||

where

x and y are vectors in Rn

and u bar is defined by u/(||u||^2)


so the question asks to prove this analytically, I couldn't figure out how to do so, the only attempt I made was mathematically by expanding the right side using the formula for norm and trying to simplify it to the left. Anyway that results in a mess and I was wondering where to start.
 
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I would draw a picture and do this geometrically. Draw two rays emanating from the origin; these rays are the directions of x and y. Choose a point on each ray to represent each vector. Then ||x-y|| is the length of the line segment that goes between these two points. Can you think of another line segment you can draw between the two rays that obviously has the same length as ||x-y||?
 
thanks for the tip. I've started doing it geometrically but I'm still stuck on the right side of the proof and how it equates to the left. The only other ray with the same length should be lly-xll = llx-yll, but I'm still unsure how to end up there.
 
You should have a triangle OXY, where O is the origin and X and Y are the endpoints of the vectors x and y. Then ||x-y|| is the length of XY, i.e. the side opposite the angle O.

Now take this picture, and reflect it about the line that bisects angle O. Overlay this on top of your original picture. How do you express the new legs OX' and OY' in terms of the original OX and OY? Then consider that it should be obvious that the legs X'Y' and XY have the same length.
 
For intuition, drawing a picture is fine, but for proof, I would use algebraic approach. This formula solves it all:

[tex] \|A + B\|^2 = \|A\|^2 + \|B\|^2 + 2A\cdot B[/tex]
 
http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/f5/help-proof-189355.html#post685844
 

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