Proof of Addition Reversibility

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The discussion centers around the proof of the reversibility of addition, specifically examining the relationship between functions and constants in the context of group theory. Participants explore the implications of defining addition on different sets and the conditions under which reversibility holds.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to prove that \( f(x) = g(x) \Leftrightarrow f(x) + C = g(x) + C \) without knowing the nature of the elements involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if the elements are from \( \mathbb{R} \), the proof follows because \( (\mathbb{R}, +) \) is a group, but this may not hold for other definitions of addition.
  • A participant notes that belonging to a group implies the existence of an additive inverse, which is crucial for establishing reversibility in the context of addition.
  • There is a query about proving the reversibility of operations like exponentiation, which do not belong to groups, suggesting that these may require different approaches.
  • Another participant suggests that functions such as \( x \mapsto e^x \) or \( x \mapsto x^n \) can be addressed through theorems related to invertible functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of group theory for addition and the nature of operations like exponentiation. There is no consensus on how to approach the proof of reversibility for operations outside of groups.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of the definitions of operations and the sets from which elements are drawn, indicating that assumptions about these factors are critical to the arguments presented.

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How can you prove that

##f(x)=g(x) \Leftrightarrow f(x)+C=g(x)+C##
 
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I can't as long as I don't know where your elements are taken from.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I can't as long as I don't know where your elements are taken from.
What do you mean by "elements"?
 
FAS1998 said:
What do you mean by "elements"?
##f(x),g(x),C##

If they were, as usual, from ##\mathbb{R}##, then the answer would be: because ##(\mathbb{R},+)## is a group. But if you had defined addition differently on some set, then there is not enough information about it.

E.g. ##1+1=2## and ##1+1=0## are both true, just not in the same set.
 
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fresh_42 said:
##f(x),g(x),C##

If they were, as usual, from ##\mathbb{R}##, then the answer would be: because ##(\mathbb{R},+)## is a group. But if you had defined addition differently on some set, then there is not enough information about it.
This is what I meant.

I just looked over the wikipedia page for groups and now understand why ##(\mathbb{R},+)## is a group, but why does belonging to a group imply reversibility?
 
FAS1998 said:
I just looked over the wikipedia page for groups and now understand why ##(\mathbb{R},+)## is a group, but why does belonging to a group imply reversibility?
Being in a group means existence of an additive inverse, -C.
So given that ##f(x)+C=g(x)+C## you can write down ##f(x)+C+ -C=g(x)+C+ -C##.

Given associativity, the definition of an additive inverse and the definition of zero, it is all downhill from there.
 
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How would we prove the reversibility of other operations such as exponentiation (for values >= 0), that don't belong to groups?
 
FAS1998 said:
How would we prove the reversibility of other operations such as exponentiation (for values >= 0), that don't belong to groups?
##x \longmapsto e^x## or ##x \longmapsto x^n## e.g. by the theorem of invertible functions or in general step by step. They aren't operations anymore, just other functions.
 
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