Proof of Cauchy Sequence for $\{a_n\}$ Defined by $f(x)$

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The discussion revolves around proving that the sequence $\{a_n\}$, defined in terms of a continuous and decreasing function $f(x)$ that approaches zero, is a Cauchy sequence. Participants also explore evaluating the limit of $\{a_n\}$ when $f(x)=e^{-x}$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical proofs.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that $a_n$ can be expressed as $a_n=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(f(k)-f(x))dx$, suggesting a geometric interpretation.
  • Others argue that this geometric interpretation can help visualize the relationship between the terms of the sequence and the integral.
  • One participant suggests that to show $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence, it is necessary to analyze the difference $a_m - a_n$ for $m > n$ and relate it to the behavior of $f(n)$ as $n$ increases.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation for the limit of $\{a_n\}$ when $f(x)=e^{-x}$, arriving at $\lim a_n=\frac{1}{e-1}$.
  • A later reply reiterates the need to prove that $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence directly from the definition, emphasizing the importance of the decreasing nature of $f(x)$ in the proof.
  • One participant expresses concern about potential errors in their reasoning, indicating the complexity of the mathematical arguments involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove that $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence, but there are multiple approaches and interpretations presented. The evaluation of the limit for the specific case of $f(x)=e^{-x}$ appears to be more settled, though the broader proof remains contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the proof relies on the properties of non-negative decreasing functions and the behavior of the sequence as $n$ and $m$ approach infinity. There are concerns about the accuracy of certain steps in the reasoning, highlighting the complexity of the mathematical proof.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in sequences, series, and the properties of Cauchy sequences in mathematical analysis.

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Suppose $f(x)$ is continuous and decreasing on $[0, \infty]$, and $f(n)\to 0$. Define $\{a_n\}$ by

$a_n=f(0)+f(1)+\ldots+f(n-1)-\int_0^n f(x)dx$

(a) Prove $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence directly from the definition.

(b) Evaluate $\lim a_n$ if $f(x)=e^{-x}$.
 
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We can write $a_n=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(f(k)-f(x))dx$. Does it help you?
 
girdav said:
We can write $a_n=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(f(k)-f(x))dx$. Does it help you?

Do you mean to interpret it geometrically as $T_1+T_2+\ldots+T_n$ as in the following figure?

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/36
 
Yes, it will give you the idea, and we can see what $a_n$ represents. Now you have to show analytically that $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence.
 
girdav said:
Now you have to show analytically that $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence.

I think I can show it geometrically.

$a_m-a_n=T_{n+1}+T_{n+2}+\ldots+T_m$ for $m>n$

Given $\epsilon>0$,

$f(n+1)<\epsilon$ for $n\gg 1$

By moving all the "triangles" from $T_{n+1}$ to $T_m$ horizontally to the left into the rectangle of base 1 and height $f(n+1)$ (as shown in the figure), we see that

$T_{n+1}+T_{n+2}+\ldots+T_m<f(n+1)<\epsilon$

Does that look ok?
 
(b) $a_n=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(f(k)-f(x))dx$

$=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(e^{-k}-e^{-x})dx$

$=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}(xe^{-k}+e^{-x})$

$=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\int_k^{k+1}((k+1)e^{-k}+e^{-k-1}-ke^{-k}-e^{-k})$

$=\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}e^{-k-1}$

$\lim a_n=\sum_{k=0}^\infty e^{-k-1}$

$=\frac{e^{-1}}{1-e^{-1}}$

$=\frac{1}{e-1}$
 
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Alexmahone said:
Suppose $f(x)$ is continuous and decreasing on $[0, \infty]$, and $f(n)\to 0$. Define $\{a_n\}$ by

$a_n=f(0)+f(1)+\ldots+f(n-1)-\int_0^n f(x)dx$

(a) Prove $\{a_n\}$ is a Cauchy sequence directly from the definition.

(b) Evaluate $\lim a_n$ if $f(x)=e^{-x}$.

The first thing we need is that for a non-negative decreasing function:

\[ f(k+1) \le \int_k^{k+1} f(x)\;dx \le f(k) \]

Hence for \(m>n\):

\[ \sum_{k=n+1}^{m}f(k) \le \int_n^m f(x)\;dx\le \sum_{k=n}^{m-1}f(k) \]

Now :

\[ a_m-a_n=\sum_{k=n}^{m-1}f(k) -\int_n^mf(x)\;dx \]

So:

\[ \sum_{k=n}^{m-1}f(k) -\sum_{k=n}^{m-1}f(k) \le a_m-a_n \le \sum_{k=n}^{m-1}f(k) -\sum_{k=n+1}^{m}f(k) \]

simplifying:

\[ 0 \le a_m-a_n \le f(n)-f(m) \]

Hence \( \displaystyle \lim_{n,m\to \infty}|a_m-a_n|=0 \)

You will need to check that the above is correct, as it is too easy for the odd index to go wrong here and there, as it has done numerous times while constructing this post (Angry)

CB
 
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