Proof of Continuity of $x^n$ from Pugh's "Real Mathematical Analysis" Chapter 1

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of the function \(x^n\) as presented in Pugh's "Real Mathematical Analysis." Participants explore the conditions under which the implication \( |y - x| < \delta \implies |y^n - x^n| < \epsilon \) holds for various values of \(n\), including specific cases for \(n=1\), \(n=2\), and \(n>2\). The conversation includes technical reasoning and mathematical arguments related to the choice of \(\delta\) in relation to \(\epsilon\).

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  • One participant suggests that for \(n=1\), setting \(\delta = \epsilon\) satisfies the condition directly.
  • Another participant questions the validity of setting \(\delta = \frac{\epsilon}{|y+x|}\) for \(n=2\), arguing that \(\delta\) must be independent of \(x\).
  • A subsequent reply agrees with the concern about \(\delta\) being dependent on \(x\) and proposes using \(\delta = \epsilon\) for the case where \(|y+x| \geq 1\).
  • Another participant raises a concern about the possibility of \(\delta = \epsilon < |y-x|\) for certain values, questioning whether this could lead to a contradiction in the continuity argument.
  • For \(n>2\), one participant introduces a formula \( |y^n - x^n| = |y - x||y^{n-1} + xy^{n-2} + \cdots + x^{n-1}| \) and suggests that similar arguments for \(n=2\) could be applied.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach by considering the limit \(\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} |(x+h)^n - x^n| = 0\) as a potentially simpler method to prove continuity.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate choice of \(\delta\) and whether certain approaches are valid. There is no consensus on a single method or conclusion, and multiple competing views remain regarding the proof of continuity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the choice of \(\delta\) must be independent of \(x\), and there are concerns about the implications of certain choices leading to contradictions. The discussion remains focused on the conditions necessary for continuity without resolving the mathematical steps involved.

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From Pugh's "Real Mathematical Analysis" Chapter 1
13. Given ##y \in \mathbb{R}, n \in \mathbb{N}, \text{ and } \epsilon > 0##, show that for some ##\delta > 0, |y-x| < \delta \text{ then } |y^n - x^n| < \epsilon##

In the case of n=1, ##\delta = \epsilon## satisfies the condition, i.e. ##|y-x| < \delta = \epsilon \implies |y - x| < \epsilon##.

In the case of n=2, it needs to be shown that ##|y-x| < \delta \implies |y-x||y+x| < \epsilon##

1. ##|y+x| < 1## implies that ##|y-x||y+x| < |y-x| < \delta##. If ##\delta = \epsilon##, then the condition is met.

2. ##|y+x| \geq 1## implies that ##|y-x| \leq |y-x||y+x| < \delta \text{ } |y+x|##
Here's my question: Is it valid to set ##\delta## to ##\frac{\epsilon}{|y+x|}##? In the case that ##|y+x| \geq 1##, there is no risk of division by zero or assigning ##\delta## to a negative value, so ##\delta## would exist and be positive. If so, then the condition is met.​

[Note: This is only the first part of the problem; I do intend to solve the general case with induction.]


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I'm afraid it is not valid. You want your ##\delta## to be independent of ##x##. This means that you want to find a ##\delta>0## such that your implication holds for all ##x##.
If you choose ##\delta = \varepsilon / |x+y|##, then you will get a different value of ##\delta## for each ##x##. Clearly this is not what you want.
 
micromass said:
I'm afraid it is not valid. You want your ##\delta## to be independent of ##x##. This means that you want to find a ##\delta>0## such that your implication holds for all ##x##.
If you choose ##\delta = \varepsilon / |x+y|##, then you will get a different value of ##\delta## for each ##x##. Clearly this is not what you want.

That makes sense. Does this work?

2. ##|y+x|≥1## implies that ##|y−x|≤|y−x||y+x|<ε.## Let ##δ=ε##, then the condition is met?

If it does, I've been making it out to be more complicated than it is.

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Someone2841 said:
1. ##|y+x| < 1## implies that ##|y-x||y+x| < |y-x| < \delta##. If ##\delta = \epsilon##, then the condition is met.

Is this alright? I notice that there is the possibility that ##\delta = \epsilon< |y-x|## for certain x, y, and ε, which would cause ##|y^2-x^2| < \epsilon## but ##|y-x| \geq \delta##; however, ##|y-x| < \delta \implies |y^2-x^2| < \epsilon## requires only that ##|y^2-x^2| < \epsilon## is true whenever ##|y-x| < \delta## and not the other way around, so it seems okay to me. Am I correct?

Example: ##x=0.1, y=0.2, δ=ε=.04##
##.1 < .04 \implies .03<.04 \text{ is true.}##​
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13. Given ##y∈R,n∈N, \text{ and } ϵ>0##, show that for some ##δ>0,|y−x|<δ \text{ then } |y^n−x^n|<ϵ##

For n>2, the following formula is helpful: ##|y^n-x^n| = |y-x||y^{n-1} + xy^{n-2}+\cdots+x^{n-2}y+x^{n-1}|##

It seems to me that, provided my methods for n=2 were valid, that the same arguments could be used for the cases ##|y^{n-1} + xy^{n-2}+\cdots+x^{n-2}y+x^{n-1}| < 1## and ##|y^{n-1} + xy^{n-2}+\cdots+x^{n-2}y+x^{n-1}| \geq 1## to show that ##\delta = \epsilon## satisfies all conditions for continuity.
 
I think it is easier to do this problem if you prove [itex]{lim}_{h \rightarrow 0} |(x+h)^n -x^n| = 0[/itex].
 

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