Proof of oscillation about the equilibrium

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The discussion focuses on solving a second-order differential equation related to oscillation, specifically demonstrating that the oscillator crosses the x = 0 boundary at a positive time. The key parameters identified are the angular frequency (ω) of 20 rad/s and the damping coefficient (γ) of 5. The participants emphasize the importance of using symbolic representation rather than numerical values during the solution process and highlight the necessity of two integration constants for a complete solution.

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The problem is question 2(a) in the attached pdf. I seem to find myself at a dead end and am not sure where to go from here - I will attach my working in a separate file, but basically I need to show that the oscillator passes/crosses over the x = 0 boundary at a positive time, but I don't seem to be able to do that (or have enough information to) without ending up with nothing, or an impossible equation, like an exponential term = 0.

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Your picture is half illegible. Seems you do find an ##\omega## though.
However: your try with an intial displacement of 0 of course doesn't let the thing oscillate !

free tip: work with symbols, not with numbers. Only at the last moment, if/when a value is needed, subtitute values.
 
BvU said:
Your picture is half illegible. Seems you do find an ##\omega## though.
However: your try with an intial displacement of 0 of course doesn't let the thing oscillate !

free tip: work with symbols, not with numbers. Only at the last moment, if/when a value is needed, subtitute values.

ω is 20 rads-1, from the equation (I have shown it only with values substituted):
p = -γ/2 +/- √[ω2 - (γ/2)2]
where ω2 = 400 and γ = 5\

And I set x(0) = D, not 0, as x is a function of t, is that incorrect?
Thanks
 
Bonnie said:
And I set x(0) = D, not 0, as x is a function of t, is that incorrect?
No, that's correct. But it looks a lot like a zero on my screen.

Your Solution
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has ##x=Ce^{-{5\over 2}t} e^{\rm illegible}## when originally it was
upload_2018-5-14_0-45-25.png
( so probably ##x=Ce^{pt} ## ?) and you found two ##p##. What happened to the second ?
 

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BvU said:
No, that's correct. But it looks a lot like a zero on my screen.

Your Solution View attachment 225681
has ##x=Ce^{-{5\over 2}t} e^{\rm illegible}## when originally it was View attachment 225682 ( so probably ##x=Ce^{pt} ## ?) and you found two ##p##. What happened to the second ?
I'll try to attach a better photo, but the second p is included in the e+/- 393.75j
 

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Bonnie said:
I'll try to attach a better photo, but the second p is included in the e+/- 393.75j
Ah, I've just realized that the photo quality is significantly decreased by uploading it here. Apologies for that
 
You need to rethink your solution. A second order differential equation needs two integration constants (one for ##x## and one for ##\dot x## if you want to put it that way).

If there are two ##p## to solve the characteristic equation, then ##C_1 \,e^{p_1 t}## is a solution and so is ##C_2 \,e^{p_2 t}##.
 

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