Proof of Prime & Congruences: Solving x^2\equiv -2 \mod p

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The discussion centers on the congruence equation x^2 ≡ -2 mod p, where p is a prime number. Participants explore the implications of this congruence, particularly focusing on whether it can be expressed in the form a^2 + 2b^2 = p or a^2 + 2b^2 = 2p. The conversation includes attempts to find proofs, the use of quadratic reciprocity, and the accessibility of existing proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that if there exists a solution to the congruence x^2 ≡ -2 mod p, then integers a and b can be found such that a^2 + 2b^2 = p or a^2 + 2b^2 = 2p.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the proof's accessibility, noting that existing proofs often rely on advanced concepts like quadratic reciprocity and factorization in the ring of integers adjoined with √-2.
  • A participant inquires whether a proof using only quadratic reciprocity exists, acknowledging the theorem's extensive history of proofs.
  • Several participants share a document link that they believe contains an accessible proof, although one participant doubts its suitability for the original poster (OP).
  • Another participant suggests that the OP's request for a simpler proof may be unrealistic, given the complexity of the topic.
  • One participant proposes a method to find solutions by examining integers a and b such that a^2 + 2b^2 = kp, suggesting a systematic approach to generate potential solutions.
  • This participant also notes that quadratic reciprocity may not be necessary for their approach and discusses the forms of primes that could relate to the problem.
  • They further elaborate on the product of sums of squares and suggest that exploring division might yield helpful insights.
  • Another participant highlights the significance of the number 2 in the context of the problem, indicating that it may provide clues for further progress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accessibility of proofs related to the problem, with some believing that simpler proofs may not exist while others suggest possible methods for finding solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to proving the initial claim.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the potential limitations of existing proofs, including the reliance on advanced mathematical concepts and the challenges in finding elementary proofs.

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"Let p be a prime such that there exists a solution to the congruence x^2\equiv - 2\mod p.
THEN there are integers a and b such that a^2 + 2b^2 = p or a^2 + 2b^2 = 2p."
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I don't see why this is true. How can we prove this using basic concepts?
We know that there exists some integer x such that p|(x2 -2), what's next?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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I don't know any elementary proof: they all use concepts like quadratic reciprocity, factorizarion on structures like \mathbb Z\left[\sqrt{-2}\right].

The starting point is that, if you have a^2 + 2b^2, you may factorize this expression in \mathbb Z\left[\sqrt{-2}\right] as \left(a+\sqrt{-2}b\right)\left(a-\sqrt{-2}b\right); then you must investigate if p is also factorizable in this domain. Frankly, I think the proof is too advanced for you, but I can point you to documents where it's done (it's a bit long).
 
Is there a proof with just QR? There may well be a decent elementary proof of QR -- I don't know of one, but it's one of the most-proved theorems in the history of... well... theorem-proving.
 
Try reading this document:

http://math.uga.edu/~pete/4400quadrings.pdf"
 
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I don't think that's accessible for the OP.
 
It's the most acessible I found online. If anyone knows a simpler proof (even Fermat's original proof), I also would like to see it.
 
JSuarez said:
It's the most acessible I found online. If anyone knows a simpler proof (even Fermat's original proof), I also would like to see it.

It's the most accessible I've seen as well -- good find. I just think that the OP's request is probably impossible to fulfill.
 
It seems like there is too much theory and lose ends to easily handle this. A very, very modest contribution is to notice that if (read X^2 congruent to -2) X^2 ==-2 Mod P, then we have integers a/b = X, (a,b not 0) such that a^2+2b^2 = kp. Furthermore we can allow b to run through all the terms b=1, 2, 3...(p-1)/2 for a series of such equations, of which some would be found to be minimal in the series.

As a matter of fact this is a rather good way to find a solution. Since we are working with squares we can exchange a with p-a, if this results in a smaller solution. For example p=19, then we can choose X to be 6. A series of solutions then is (6,1), (-7,2), (-1,3), (-5,4), (8,5), (-2,6), (4,7), (-9.8), (-3,9).

Just one of these proves to be minimal (-1,3)= 1^2+2*3^2 = 19.

In the above, k takes values 2, 3, 1, 3, 6, 4, 6, 11, 9. While quadratic reciprocity is not necessary here since we are given the conditions on the prime that X^2==-2 Mod p, if we were to pursue that, we have that the primes are of the form 8X+1 and 8X+3, and 2 also appears. Now looking over the k above, we find that all the odd ones are multiples of those kind of primes, which suggests to us they also have the same form, which is m^2 + 2n^2.

It is not hard to show that the product of (a^2+2b^2)(c^2+2d^2) = (ac+/-2bd)^2 + 2(ad-/+bc)^2 are of the same form. If the same thing could be worked out for division, that might be helpful, particularly if it could be shown that k was of that form. Since then it could be divided out.

I notice that the problem includes the case where k=2, or a multiple including 2. This will occur anytime the "a" term of a^2 + 2b^2 is even, and 4 appears if both are even--but this could have been reduced. Perhaps 2 is a clue as to how to proceed
 
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