Proof of second quantization operators

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The discussion revolves around the representation of Hamiltonians in the context of second quantization operators, specifically how a Hamiltonian expressed as a sum can be rewritten using raising and lowering operators in Fock space. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of quantum field theory and operator algebra.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on how a Hamiltonian of the form \(\sum_n h(x_n)\) can be expressed as \(\sum_{i,j} t_{i,j} a^+_i a_j\), with \(t_{i,j} = \int f^*_i(x) h(x) f_j(x) dx\).
  • Another participant requests definitions for the variables \(h\), \(x\), and \(f\) to better understand the context.
  • Some participants propose that raising and lowering operators can generate any operator on Fock space, suggesting that these operators can serve as a basis for constructing operator matrix elements.
  • References to Weinberg's QFT book are made, specifically mentioning the "Cluster Decomposition Principle" as a relevant source for understanding this topic.
  • A participant notes that proofs of such representations are often omitted in literature due to their complexity, mentioning a specific book on molecular electronic structure theory as a potential resource.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the responses and shares that they found a proof online, indicating that it is not commonly demonstrated in textbooks despite its significance.
  • Clarification is sought regarding whether the construction involves linear combinations of finite products of raising and lowering operators, with some uncertainty about the precise statement of the theorem.
  • A link to an Italian paper is provided as a resource for further reading on the topic, specifically pages discussing two-particle Hamiltonians.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interest in the topic, but no consensus is reached regarding the specific details of the proof or the definitions involved. Multiple interpretations and approaches are discussed, indicating that the topic remains contested.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion due to missing definitions and assumptions regarding the variables involved. The precise statement of the theorem related to the use of raising and lowering operators is also not fully articulated, leaving some ambiguity in the discussion.

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Please, can somebody show me why a Hamiltonian like \sum_nh(x_n) can be written as \sum_{i,j}t_{i,j}a^+_ia_j, with t_{i,j}=\int f^*_i(x)h(x)f_j(x)dx?

Thank you.
 
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Can you define your h, x and f?
 
I think what you are looking for is that you can show that the raising and lowering operators are enough to create any operator on fock space. Basically, the proof of that, is by using raising and lowering operators as a "basis", you have enough freedom to make the operator matrix elements have any value you want. Weinberg's QFT book has a description of this in his "Cluster Decomposition Principle" chapter.
 
OP, these proofs are often omitted because they can become very messy. I think there was one in ``Molecular electronic structure theory'' by Helgaker, Jorgensen, Olsen (``the purple book''). You might want to have a look if your university library has one of those (it's also tremendously useful for lots of other quantum many body things if you really want to know what is going on).
 
Thank you all for your replies. I apologise for the lack of details in my first post, but that evening I was at the brink of desperation trying to prove that result. :-) Finally, I found a proof online, but as you say it's not something which books usually demonstrate (despite its importance).
 
DimReg said:
I think what you are looking for is that you can show that the raising and lowering operators are enough to create any operator on fock space. Basically, the proof of that, is by using raising and lowering operators as a "basis", you have enough freedom to make the operator matrix elements have any value you want. Weinberg's QFT book has a description of this in his "Cluster Decomposition Principle" chapter.

For the sake of claification, do you mean taking linear combinations of finite products of raising and lowering operators?
 
Tilde90 said:
Thank you all for your replies. I apologise for the lack of details in my first post, but that evening I was at the brink of desperation trying to prove that result. :-) Finally, I found a proof online, but as you say it's not something which books usually demonstrate (despite its importance).

This is also relevant to my interests... Where did you find the proof if you don't mind me asking?
 
espen180 said:
For the sake of claification, do you mean taking linear combinations of finite products of raising and lowering operators?

It's been a while since I saw the precise statement of the theorem, but I believe that is the case. Other interpretations don't seem to be powerful enough
 
B-80 said:
This is also relevant to my interests... Where did you find the proof if you don't mind me asking?

Sure. It's an Italian paper, http://www.dcci.unipi.it/~ivo/didattica/dispense.chimteo/secquant.pdf , pages 11-13 (and following pages for two particle Hamiltonians). The formalism is very clear.
 
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