Proof Question: Mathematical Induction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around using mathematical induction to prove that for all integers n >= 1, the expression n^3 - n is divisible by 3. The scope includes a homework problem and involves technical reasoning related to mathematical induction.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the goal of the proof is to show that n^3 - n is divisible by 3 for all integers n >= 1.
  • Another participant explains the steps of mathematical induction, emphasizing the need to check the base case and assume the statement holds for n to prove it for n + 1.
  • Several participants discuss the expansion of (n + 1)^3 - (n + 1) and the correct application of the induction hypothesis.
  • There are questions about the correctness of the expansions and whether certain terms can be simplified or omitted.
  • One participant suggests regrouping terms to facilitate the proof and asks about the necessity of including certain terms in the expression.
  • Another participant confirms that if the first part of the expression is divisible by 3, then the second part must also be considered for the overall divisibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of mathematical induction but express uncertainty about specific steps in the expansion and simplification process. There is no consensus on the best way to present the proof or the necessity of certain terms in the final expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential errors in expansions and the importance of correctly applying the induction hypothesis, indicating that some assumptions may not be fully resolved.

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Homework Statement



Use mathematical induction to prove, for all integers [itex]n >= 1[/itex]

[itex]n^3 - n[/itex] is divisible by 3

Homework Equations



Found equations with addition but no subtract involved.

The Attempt at a Solution



Another question suggests you expand the brackets, then insert the original theorem which prooves that the whole statement is true? (divisible by 3)
 
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I don't know what you mean by
Another question suggests you expand the brackets, then insert the original theorem which prooves that the whole statement is true?
but that is indeed how induction works.

So, first you need to show that it is true for n = 1 (or if you want, for the slightly less trivial case n = 2). Then you assume you have proven that [itex]n^3 - n[/itex] is divisible by 3, and you try to show that [itex](n + 1)^3 - (n + 1)[/itex] is divisible by 3 as well.
Then usually one stops writing down the proof, but the reasoning is: it has been shown that if it is true for n = 1, it will be true for n = 2. Also, it has been shown that if it is true for n = 2, it will be true for n = 3; et cetera. We have shown explicitly that it holds for n = 1. Therefore, it is true for n = 2, hence for n = 3, et cetera.

So first, check the statement for some low numbers (in principle, n = 1 would suffice, but you can check it for 2 and 3 if you want). Then assume it is true for n ("induction hypothesis") and try to prove it for n + 1. This can indeed by done by working out the brackets and trying to get [itex]n^3 - n[/itex] which is divisible by 3 by the induction hypothesis, plus something of which you can easily show that it is divisible by 3.
 
Yeah, i did the sum for 1 to 3 and they were all divisible by 3.I did attempt to break down [itex](n + 1)^3 - (n + 1)[/itex] but wasnt sure how.Is that the lowest form it can be displayed it?

Would i expand the brackets to (n+1)(n+1)(n+1) - (n - 1)

= n^3 - n - 1 +1

= n^3 - n
 
Lococard said:
Yeah, i did the sum for 1 to 3 and they were all divisible by 3.
OK.

Lococard said:
Would i expand the brackets to (n+1)(n+1)(n+1) - (n - 1)

= n^3 - n - 1 +1

= n^3 - n

Not quite. First of all, you want to expand
[tex](n + 1)^3 - (n \operatorname{\color{red}+} 1) = (n + 1)(n + 1)(n + 1) - n - 1[/tex]
(note the sign in the first part, and the absence of brackets in the second part: ... - (n - 1) = ... - n + 1 is something different).
Then, you made an error in the expansion of the cubic:
[tex](n + 1)^3 = (n + 1)(n + 1)(n + 1) = (n + 1)(n^2 + 2n + 1) = \cdots[/tex]
 
Welcome to PF!

Lococard said:
Would i expand the brackets to (n+1)(n+1)(n+1) - (n - 1)

= n^3 - n - 1 +1

= n^3 - n

Hi Lococard! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You must learn these expansions:

(n+1)(n+1) = n^2 + 2n + 1

(n+1)(n+1)(n+1) = n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1

(n+1)(n+1)(n+1)(n+1) = n^4 + 4n^3 + 6n^2 + 4n + 1​

So (n + 1)^3 - (n + 1) = ? :smile:
 
n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1 - (n + 1)?

How can i make this any smaller?
 
Regroup as follows
[tex]n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1 - (n + 1) = n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1 - n - 1 = (n^3 - n) + (3n^2 + 3n + 1 - 1)[/tex]
and use the induction hypothesis.

(You want to show that this is divisible by 3. What condition for a and b is sufficient to let a + b be divisible by 3?)
 
That n is being multiplied by 3 on the RHS.Do i have to have the +1 - 1?

Or can i just leave it as (n^3-n)+(3n^2+3n)?
 
Lococard said:
n^3 + 3n^2 + 3n + 1 - (n + 1)?

How can i make this any smaller?

Hi Lococard! :smile:

This is proof by induction. So you can assume that n^3 - n is divisible by 3.

So … ? :smile:

oh, and yes, definitely add the +1 and -1 to get 0.
 
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So assuming that n^3-n is divisible by 3.

(n^3-n)+(3n^2+3n)

Knowing the first part is divisible by 3, the second part is divisible by 3 because n is being multiplied by 3, resulting in a number divisible by 3.Solved?
 
  • #11
Yep, now all you have to do is write it out readably :smile:
 

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