Proof that neutrino flavor oscillation implies nonzero neutrino mass?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between neutrino flavor oscillation and the implications for neutrino mass. Participants explore whether the existence of flavor oscillation necessitates nonzero neutrino mass, considering various theoretical perspectives and references.

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  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with existing proofs, particularly noting that Kayser's review assumes nonzero mass in its derivation of flavor oscillation, suggesting it does not prove the converse.
  • Another participant states that neutrino oscillation depends on the difference in the square of masses, implying that at least one neutrino must have a nonzero mass if oscillations are observed.
  • A participant questions how the existence of mass in neutrinos leads to oscillations, proposing scenarios where some neutrinos could be massless and whether oscillations would still occur under those conditions.
  • Another participant agrees that oscillations require mass differences and discusses the implications of having one massless neutrino among others with nonzero mass, suggesting that such models exist.
  • One participant notes that if all neutrino masses are equal, no mixing occurs, drawing an analogy to neutral meson mixing to illustrate the relationship between mass differences and flavor mixing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of neutrino mass for flavor oscillation, with no consensus reached on whether flavor oscillation necessarily implies nonzero mass for all neutrinos. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which oscillations occur.

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Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of mass and the nuances of flavor mixing, as well as the limitations of existing proofs and models in fully addressing the relationship between mass and oscillation.

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[This is a reference request.]

I'm dissatisfied with the "proofs" I've found so far. E.g., in Kayser's review from 2008, in the paragraph following his eq(1.4), he assumes a propagation amplitude Prop##(\nu_i)## of ##\exp(-im_i \tau_i)##, where "##m_i## is the mass of the ##\nu_i## and ##\tau_i## is the proper time that elapses in the ##\nu_i## rest frame during its propagation". I.e., he assumes ##m_i \ne 0##. Thus, he proves only that nonzero neutrino masses imply neutrino flavor oscillation, but not the converse, afaict.

Can anyone point me to better references, pls?
 
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As far as I know, neutrino oscillation only depends on ##\Delta m^2##, i.e. the difference of the square of masses, so the fact that we observe ##\nu_e - \nu_\mu## and ##\nu_e - \nu_\tau## oscillation tells us that the masses of the neutrinos must be non-degenerate (and therefore at most only one can be 0).
I don't know what are good references, although neutrino oscillation is covered in a lot of books.
Usually, a good idea is to start with PDG and follow the references they give.
 
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strangerep said:
[This is a reference request.]

I'm dissatisfied with the "proofs" I've found so far. E.g., in Kayser's review from 2008, in the paragraph following his eq(1.4), he assumes a propagation amplitude Prop##(\nu_i)## of ##\exp(-im_i \tau_i)##, where "##m_i## is the mass of the ##\nu_i## and ##\tau_i## is the proper time that elapses in the ##\nu_i## rest frame during its propagation". I.e., he assumes ##m_i \ne 0##. Thus, he proves only that nonzero neutrino masses imply neutrino flavor oscillation, but not the converse, afaict.

Can anyone point me to better references, pls?
Isn't this the way physics usually proceeds? Let ##T## be a particular theory, and ##E## be a particular experiment result. Now suppose that it can be show that ##T \Rightarrow E##. If an actual experiment is performed and ##E## is the result, we take this as evidence for, but not proof of, ##T##.

Theories involving massive neutrinos predict oscillations, which predict experiment results ##E_i##. Actual experiments produce some of these ##E_i##, which we take as evidence that (at least some) neutrinos have mass.
 
Since oscillations only require mass difference, how does "neutrinos having mass", by implication all of them, lead to oscillations, or vice versa? If some neutrinos have nonzero mass and other/s zero, would oscillations still result? And vice versa, if neutrinos had masses but these were equal, it would still have no oscillations.
 
snorkack said:
Since oscillations only require mass difference, how does "neutrinos having mass", by implication all of them, lead to oscillations, or vice versa? If some neutrinos have nonzero mass and other/s zero, would oscillations still result? And vice versa, if neutrinos had masses but these were equal, it would still have no oscillations.
It does not. It is a somewhat simplified statement. The conclusion is that there is flavor mixing in the lepton sector and that neutrinos have different masses. From that follows that at most one neutrino is massless. You can argue about how natural it would be to have a single massless neutrino when the others have non-zero masses, but there are indeed neutrino mass models where this could happen.
 
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If the masses are all the same (e.g. 0) then the flavor eigenstates (and every other state) are also mass eigenstates and no mixing happens. This is analogous to e.g. neutral meson mixing where we use the observed mixing to determine that there is a mass difference.
 
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