Proof that the Square Root of 2 is Irrational.

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The discussion revolves around proving that the square root of 2 is irrational, specifically through a proof by contradiction. The participants explore the implications of assuming that √2 can be expressed as a fraction p/q, where p and q are integers in their lowest terms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the properties of even and odd integers, particularly focusing on whether the evenness of p² implies that p must also be even. There is also a consideration of the implications of p being an integer and how that affects the proof.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the definitions of even and odd numbers and their relevance to the proof. Some participants express clarity on the importance of p being an integer, while others continue to question the implications of their assumptions.

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There is a focus on the definitions of integers and even numbers, with participants questioning the validity of certain steps in their reasoning. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to understand the proof's structure without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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I am trying to prove that √2 is irrational using proof by contradiction. Here is my work so far:

√2 = p/q where p & q are in their lowest terms. Where q is non-zero.

2=p2/q2

2q2 = p2

Which tells me that p2 is an even number, using the definition of an even number. We can use this definition because we know that q is an integer and an integer squared is also an integer. Hence 2q2 is even and as 2q=p2 we see that p2 is also even. Can we use the knowledge that p is an integer to say that p is also an even number? Or is there another rule that I'm not aware of?

If we can use this knowledge, then we can say that p=2n, where n is some integer, using the definition of an even number.

2q2=(2n)2
2q2=4n2
q2=2n2 where n2 is an integer, as n was an integer from the definition of an even number.

∴ q2 is also an even number. If both p and q are even numbers then the fraction p/q can be simplified further and p/q is not in its lowest terms. This shows that √2 is in fact not a rational number and proves that it is irrational.
 
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Calu said:
I am trying to prove that √2 is irrational using proof by contradiction. Here is my work so far:

√2 = p/q where p & q are in their lowest terms. Where q is non-zero.

2=p2/q2

2q2 = p2

Which tells me that p2 is an even number, using the definition of an even number. We can use this definition because we know that q is an integer and an integer squared is also an integer. Hence 2q2 is even and as 2q=p2 we see that p2 is also even. Can we use the knowledge that p is an integer to say that p is also an even number? Or is there another rule that I'm not aware of?

If we can use this knowledge, then we can say that p=2n, where n is some integer, using the definition of an even number.

2q2=(2n)2
2q2=4n2
q2=2n2 where n2 is an integer, as n was an integer from the definition of an even number.

∴ q2 is also an even number. If both p and q are even numbers then the fraction p/q can be simplified further and p/q is not in its lowest terms. This shows that √2 is in fact not a rational number and proves that it is irrational.

All you need is that the square of an even number is even and the square of an odd number is odd. You can prove that. So if p^2 is even, p must be even since it can't be odd.
 
Dick said:
All you need is that the square of an even number is even and the square of an odd number is odd. You can prove that. So if p^2 is even, p must be even since it can't be odd.

If I take p2 = 6, p = √6 which is why I thought the definition of p as an integer was important, as √6 isn't even.
 
Calu said:
If I take p2 = 6, p = √6 which is why I thought the definition of p as an integer was important, as √6 isn't even.

Of course, it's important that p is an integer. Now I'm not sure what your question actually is.
 
Dick said:
Of course, it's important that p is an integer. Now I'm not sure what your question actually is.

It was really just whether knowing p was an integer was important. Now I know it is, so thank you.
 

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