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The discussion revolves around identifying which sequences have convergent subsequences, specifically examining three sequences: (-2)^n, (5+(-1)^n)/(2+3n), and 2(-1)^n. Participants are exploring the implications of the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem in relation to boundedness and convergence.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to analyze the convergence of subsequences for each given sequence, questioning whether certain sequences are bounded and how that relates to the application of the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem. There is also a focus on the need for rigorous proofs and the challenges in constructing them.

Discussion Status

Some participants are clarifying definitions and conditions related to bounded sequences and the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem. There is acknowledgment of errors in the original sequence representations, and suggestions are made regarding the boundedness of certain sequences, particularly in relation to subsequence convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the sequences and the requirements for applying theorems. There is a specific emphasis on the need for rigorous proofs as mandated by the professor, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Which of the following sequences have a convergent subsequence? Why?

(a) (-2)n

(b) (5+(-1)^n)/(2+3n)

(c) 2(-1)n

Homework Equations


Cauchy Sequence
Bolzano-Weirstrass Theorem, etc.



The Attempt at a Solution



(a) The sequence I get is (-2,4,-8,16,-32,64...) We can get two subsequences, one comprised of (-2,-8,-32...) which diverges to -[tex]\infty[/tex], and (4,16,64...) which diverges to +[tex]\infty[/tex]. So there are no subsequences that converge?

(b) The sequence I get here is something like (4/6, 7/8, 2/11, 9/14, 0, 11/20...) which seems to have no pattern. I don't know what to do here on out.

(c) (1/2, 2, 1/2, 2, 1/2,...) So all odd integers n converges to 1/2, and all even integers n converges to 2.

Here's my problem, other than being uncertain if I'm even doing this right: my professor wants rigorous proofs on everything we do in math, and I'm failing at writing adequate proofs. Where do I begin with a problem like this?
 
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What is the Bolzano Weierstrass Theorem? What conditions do you need to apply that theorem? Do any of your sequences fit that criteria?
 
The Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem simply states that "every bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence."

It doesn't really seem to help here because the sequences themselves don't seem to be bounded.
 
Really? The sequence that goes back and forth between 1/2 and 2 isn't bounded? What is the definition of a bounded sequence? Also for b), are you sure you wrote down your sequence correctly? As you have written it, the numerator goes back and forth between 4 and 6...
 
snipez, thank you for correcting my obvious error when it comes to problem (b).

And I know that the sequence from (c) is bounded, so the Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem will help me there.

Do you have any suggestions on how to prove that these other subsequences converge (or don't)?
 

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