Proofs of Boundedness for Sum and Product of Functions | Homework Question

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The discussion revolves around the boundedness of functions, specifically focusing on the sum and product of two functions, f and g, defined from R to R. Participants are tasked with determining the truth of several statements regarding the boundedness of these functions and providing proofs or counterexamples as necessary.

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  • Participants explore the implications of boundedness for the sum and product of functions, questioning how to establish bounds for |f(x) + g(x)| and |f(x)g(x)| based on the bounds of f and g. They discuss the need for additional steps in proofs and the definitions of the bounds involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and attempting to clarify the steps needed to prove the statements. Some have provided partial insights into how to approach the proofs, while others are seeking further clarification on specific aspects of the definitions and proofs.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which require them to provide proofs or counterexamples without directly stating solutions. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions of boundedness and the implications for the functions involved.

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Homework Statement



Let f and g be functions from R to R. For the sum and product of f and g, determine which statements below are true. If true, provide a proof; if false, provide a counterexample.

a) If f and g are bounded, then f + g is bounded
b) If f and g are founded, then fg is bounded
c) If f+g is bounded, then f and g are bounded
d) If fg is bounded, then f and g are bounded

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"Bounded" just means in the real-numbered set S there is a real number M such that |x|≤M for all x in S.

So, say F is the max for f and G is the max for G.

For example, say f(x)=5-x2 and g(x)=6-x2. F=5, S=6.

f(x) + g(x) = 11-2x2.

Still bounded, of course. But how do I give proofs of all these? Give me an example or two.
 
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Exactly as you said. Consider (a). If f is bounded by F and g is bounded by G, that means for all x in R, |f(x)| ≤ F and |g(x)| ≤ G. So, |(f+g)(x)| = |f(x)+g(x)| ≤ ? ≤ M. What is M and what goes in the question mark? That is how such a proof would go.
 
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Exactly as you said. Consider (a). If f is bounded by F and g is bounded by G, that means for all x in R, |f(x)| ≤ F and |g(x)| ≤ G. So, |(f+g)(x)| = |f(x)+g(x)| ≤ ? ≤ M. What is M and what goes in the question mark? That is how such a proof would go.

M = G + F

Not sure about the question mark
 
True, M = G + F, but you cannot just directly conclude |f(x)+g(x)| ≤ G + F. There needs to be an additional step in there, which is the question mark. Remember the definition of F and G.
 
No, if f(x) is bounded then there exist M such that |f(x)|< M. If g(x) is bounded, there exist N such that |g(x)|< N.

Now, [itex]|f(x)+ g(x)|\le |f(x)|+|g(x)|<[/itex] what?

[itex]|f(x)g(x)|\le |f(x)||g(x)|<[/itex] what?
 

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