Proofing Boundedness: Explaining the Sign Change

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The discussion revolves around the boundedness of functions f and g, specifically examining the implications of the boundedness of their sum (f + g) and product (fg). Participants are analyzing a specific statement regarding whether the boundedness of both f + g and fg guarantees that f and g themselves are bounded.

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  • Participants are questioning the reasoning behind the manipulation of expressions involving the absolute values of the functions. There is discussion about the choice of using (f(x) + g(x))^2 in the analysis and whether this choice stems from trial and error or a more systematic approach. Some participants provide examples and counterexamples to explore the implications of boundedness.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions underlying the problem. Some have offered clarifications on mathematical properties, while others are exploring different interpretations of the boundedness conditions. There is no explicit consensus yet on the implications of the boundedness of f and g.

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Let f and g be functions from R to R. For the sum and product of f and g, determine which statements below are true. If true, provide proof; if false provide counterexample.

e) If both f + g and fg are bounded, then f and g are bounded.

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I don't understand how to go from abs[(f(x) + g(x))^2 - 2f(x)g(x)] to abs[(f(x) + g(x))^2 +2f(x)g(x)]
Why/how do the signs change?
 

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Robb said:
Why/how do the signs change?
You have not correctly transcribed the step. It is
|(f+g)2-2fg| ≤ (f+g)2+|2fg|
This is just an example of |a+b|≤|a|+|b|
 
ok. Next question, why is (f(x) + g(x))^2 chosen? When I first worked this problem I used this: abs(f(x) + g(x))=< abs(f(x)g(x))=< M+N =< MN, where m,n > 0. Hence, f & g are bounded.
 
Robb said:
abs(f(x) + g(x))=< abs(f(x)g(x))
Try f=0, g=1.
 
RIght. What leads to thinking (f(x) + g(x))^2? Trial and error? Guessing?
 
Robb said:
RIght. What leads to thinking (f(x) + g(x))^2? Trial and error? Guessing?
Given a problem involving the sum and product of the same two variables, x and y, it is natural to play around with (x+y)2 and (x-y)2.
 
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Robb said:
RIght. What leads to thinking (f(x) + g(x))^2? Trial and error? Guessing?

No guessing needed: if ##f+g## is bounded, then ##-M \leq f+g \leq M## for some finite ##M > 0##. Thus, ##0 \leq (f+g)^2 \leq M^2,## so ##(f+g)^2## is bounded.
 
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Just note that fg being bounded by itself does not imply boundedness of f,g: f(x)= ##x^2+1 , g(x)= \frac {1}{x^2+1}##
 
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