Propagator/transition amplitude through intermediate integrations

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The discussion centers around calculating the propagator or transition amplitude using path integral formalism, specifically through intermediate integrations. Participants explore the relationship between different transition amplitudes and how to utilize known approximations to derive a complete propagator.

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  • One participant presents an integral expression for the propagator and notes that their approximation for a specific transition amplitude is qualitatively different from the desired propagator, indicating a challenge in using it directly.
  • Another participant suggests that infinitesimal amplitudes can be exponentiated, which may simplify the calculations, although the relevance of this approach to the original problem is unclear.
  • A later reply proposes a specific form for the transition amplitude involving a discretized version of the path integral, hinting at a potential method for reformulating the original expression.
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  • Another participant inquires about the specific approximation that the original poster has, seeking more details to understand the context better.

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Hi all,

suppose i want to calculate the propagator/transition amplitude which i can write as follows:

[tex](a,T|-a,-T)=\int_{-\infty}^\infty dx_1\int_{-\infty}^\infty dx_2(a,T|x_1,T_1)(x_1,T_1|x_2,T_2)(x_2,T_2|-a,-T)[/tex].

the situation is this:
i already have an approximation of [tex](a,T_{i-1}|-a,T_i)[/tex] which is qualitively different from [tex](a,T|-a,-T)[/tex], so that i can't simply calculate the latter by changing the time variable in the first expression. but i think it should be possible to use this information somehow to obatin the complete propagator. the problem is that i don't know how to deal with the intermediate integrations.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

(i'm using the path integral formalism for the calculation)
 
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The infinitesmal amplitudes can be exponentiated, since [tex]1 + \epsilon \approx e^{\epsilon}[/tex]. Once inside the exponential, you have a sum instead of a product. An analogous calculation is done here: http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Quantum_mechanics/path_integral
 
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lbrits said:
The infinitesmal amplitudes can be exponentiated, since [tex]1 + \epsilon \approx e^{\epsilon}[/tex]. Once inside the exponential, you have a sum instead of a product. An analogous calculation is done here: http://www.physics.thetangentbundle.net/wiki/Quantum_mechanics/path_integral

hi, thanks again for your response!

sorry for my ignorance, but i couldn't find anything that would help in the link you provided. could you tell me where to look, or elaborate further?
 
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Well, it isn't really clear what you're doing, but I hazard a guess that it has to do with path integrals :)

Specifically, the derivation of [itex]G(q_{j+1}, t_{j+1}; q_j, t_j)[/itex] that casts it in the form:
[tex]G(q_{j+1}, t_{j+1}; q_j, t_j) \approx \int\!\frac{dp_j}{2\pi}e^{\frac{i}{\hbar} \left[ p_j (q_{j+1}-q_j) - H(p_j, \bar{q}_j)\delta t \right]}[/tex].
 
hmm, that looks like some discretized version of the path integral.

what I'm trying to do is to write the expression in my first post into something like

[tex](a,T|-a,-T)=C\prod_{n=1}^N(a,T_{n-1}|-a,T_n)[/tex]

because i already know much about [tex](a,T_{n-1}|-a,T_n)[/tex].
 
What approximation do you already have?
 

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