Proper Orthogonal Decomposition?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Proper Orthogonal Decomposition (POD), its applications, and its relationship to other mathematical techniques such as singular value decomposition and principal component analysis. Participants seek a clearer understanding of POD, particularly in the context of turbulent flows and dimensionality reduction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an intuitive understanding of POD, indicating difficulty in grasping the concept from existing literature.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the type of object being decomposed, specifically mentioning wind velocity in turbulent flows.
  • A participant explains that POD is synonymous with several other techniques, including singular value decomposition, principal components analysis, and the Karhunen–Loève transform, highlighting the utility and various names of the concept across different domains.
  • References to academic papers are provided, which discuss the relationship between POD and other decomposition methods, emphasizing the mathematical foundation of these techniques.
  • Details are shared about the decomposition process, including the structure of the matrices involved and the significance of singular values in reducing dimensionality.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the detailed explanation, indicating that the information has clarified the participant's understanding of POD.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the intuitive understanding of POD, as some express confusion while others provide explanations. Multiple perspectives on the relationship between POD and other techniques are presented, but no definitive agreement is established.

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The discussion includes references to specific academic sources that may contain assumptions or definitions not fully explored in the thread. The relationship between POD and other techniques is noted, but the discussion does not resolve the nuances of these connections.

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Just as the title says, what is a POD? I've tried reading papers but I feel I am missing something. Does anyone have a good, intuitive understanding of this? Let me know if I've accidentally posted in the wrong section.
Thanks!
 
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Decomposition of what type of object ?
 
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Principal orthogonal decomposition is just another name for the singular value decomposition, aka principal components analysis, aka the Karhunen–Loève transform, aka the Hoteling transform, aka factor analysis, and probably other names as well.

This concept has so many names because it is so extremely useful in so many different domains. Different people have developed several different schemes (hence the many names) for attacking these problems, but ultimately they're all pretty much the same thing.
 
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WWGD: the object would be of wind velocity (its turbulent).

DH: do you mind telling me (or referring me to a source) about what you mean by "all the same thing"? the fact that i don't understand you makes me feel i am missing something pretty big.

thanks both!
 
Berkooz, Gal, Philip Holmes, and John L. Lumley (1993) "The proper orthogonal decomposition in the analysis of turbulent flows." Annual review of fluid mechanics 25:1 539-575 provides an overview on POD toward exactly the problem you asked about. It also points out the similarity between POD, the KL transform, and principal components analysis. For some reason, they miss the singular value decomposition, which lies at the heart of all of these techniques.

Another tutorial on the POD, Chatterjee, Anindya (2000) "An introduction to the proper orthogonal decomposition." Current science 78:7 808-817, does point out the similarity between the POD and principal component analysis, the Karhunen–Loéve transform, and the singular value decomposition, most particularly the latter.

Shlens, Jonathon (2014). "A tutorial on principal component analysis." arXiv preprint arXiv:1404.1100 provides a nice tutorial on principal component analysis and talks about the intimate relationship between PCA and the singular value decomposition.

In all cases, the root of the technique involves decomposing some matrix A as A=UVW^\mathsf{T} (or A=UVW^\ast if A is complex). where the matrices U and W are orthogonal (unitary if A is complex) and the matrix V is a positive semidefinite diagonal matrix (the diagonal elements are real and non-negative). This decomposition always exists. The diagonal elements of V contains the "singular values" of A, hence the name of the technique. The decomposition is performed such that the largest singular value is in v_{1,1}, the second largest in v_{2,2}, and so on.

The power of the technique lies in the fact that most of the singular values (and the left and right eigenvectors associated with them) are oftentimes zero or are very small compared to the largest few singular values. This provides a natural means for vastly reducing the dimensionality of a problem, from 1000x1000 (or more) to just a few dimensions.
 
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Ohhhhh okay, so this is what is is! Makes sense now. (sorry for not posting this in the linear algebra spot, which i think is where it belongs?)

thanks for going into so much detail. i'll definitely follow up more! you've given me a good base; thanks so much!
 

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