Properties of Roots in Univariate Polynomial of Degree n

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The discussion revolves around the properties of roots in univariate polynomials of degree n, specifically examining the relationship between the magnitude of a root and the coefficients of the polynomial. Participants are tasked with proving a specific inequality involving the root and the coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to prove the inequality by contradiction, while others suggest simplifying the polynomial by assuming a leading coefficient of 1. There are discussions about testing specific cases, such as when n=1 or n=2, to explore the validity of the inequality.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions and the formulation of the original inequality. Some hints and suggestions for approaching the proof have been offered, particularly regarding the use of the triangle inequality and considering cases based on the magnitude of the root.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the formulation of the inequality, specifically the limits of the summation. Participants are also considering the implications of setting the leading coefficient to 1 for simplification purposes.

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Homework Statement


1. Let ##p(x) = a_{0} x^{n} + a_{1} x^{n−1} + ... + a_{n} , a_{0} \neq 0 ##be an univariate polynomial of degree n.
Let r be its root, i.e. p(r) = 0. Prove that
## |r| \leq max(1, \Sigma_{1 \leq i \leq n} | \dfrac{a_{i} }{ a_{0} } | )##
Is it always true that?
## |r| \leq \Sigma_{1 \leq i \leq n} | \dfrac{a_{i} }{ a_{0} } | )##

Homework Equations


##ar + br^{2} =0 ##
## r(a+br)=0 ##
## r=0 & r = -a/b##

The Attempt at a Solution


The last equation satisfies what they state but I don't know how to proceed?
Any help?
 
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knowLittle said:

Homework Statement


1. Let ##p(x) = a_{0} x^{n} + a_{1} x^{n−1} + ... + a_{n} , a_{0} \neq 0 ##be an univariate polynomial of degree n.
Let r be its root, i.e. p(r) = 0. Prove that
## |r| \leq max(1, \Sigma_{1 \leq i \leq n} | \dfrac{a_{i} }{ a_{0} } | )##
Is it always true that?
## |r| \leq \Sigma_{1 \leq i \leq n} | \dfrac{a_{i} }{ a_{0} } | )##

Homework Equations


##ar + br^{2} =0 ##
## r(a+br)=0 ##
## r=0 & r = -a/b##

The Attempt at a Solution


The last equation satisfies what they state but I don't know how to proceed?
Any help?

For almost all such polynomial probs there is no loss of generality in making a0 = 1 and then you don't have that denominator in the expression.

Not sure I know now to proceed either but since they bring in 1 as a case of maxima, it is suggestive when you put r = 1 perhaps.

I don't follow what you are saying with your relevant equations but when you can't see how to do it in general it is certainly good to try with n=1 and 2.
 
I sort of proved it by contradiction.
Let's say that
## p(x)= ax^{2}+bx=0##
## 0=x(ax+b), \text{ then the roots are }r_{1}=0 \text{, } r_{2}=\dfrac{-b}{a}##
## |r| \geq \dfrac{a+b}{a} \\##
## | r_{2}|=| \dfrac{-b}{a}| \geq | \dfrac{ a+b}{a}| \text{, will never be true.}##
 
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knowLittle said:
I sort of proved it by contradiction.
Let's say that
## p(x)= ax^{2}+bx=0##
## 0=x(ax+b), \text{ then the roots are }r_{1}=0 \text{, } r_{2}=\dfrac{-b}{a}##
## |r| \geq \dfrac{a+b}{a} \\##
## | r_{2}|=| \dfrac{-b}{a}| \geq | \dfrac{ a+b}{a}| \text{, will never be true.}##

That I think is not right, you have misunderstood the formula in the original problem. The Ʃ subscript contains a 1≤ not a 0 ≤. The theorem then is rather trivially true for the first degree case with the ≤ it was required to prove reducing to = . Also your factor x seems an irrelevancy. But there is maybe the germ of an argument.

As I said you avoid something unnecessary if you make, without loss of generality, a0 = 1. So then the question becomes:
Let ##p(x) = x^{n} + a_{1} x^{n−1} + ... + a_{n} , ##

then prove

|r| ≤ max( 1, | a1 + a2 +... + an| ).

I think my previous idea leads there but maybe extending what you were trying does too.
 
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Here's another hint. Since you have the 1 in the max, it's trivial if |r|<=1. So you only have to do some work for the case |r|>=1. You'll want to use the triangle inequality.
 

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