Properties of the super-golden ratio?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the super-golden ratio, defined by the equation x3 = x2 + 1. Participants explore its mathematical characteristics, recursive properties related to geometry, and potential solutions, including both real and imaginary values.

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  • One participant presents the super-golden ratio and requests information about its properties.
  • Another participant describes geometric properties of the super-golden rectangle, suggesting recursive relationships similar to those of the golden rectangle.
  • A different participant questions the accuracy of the initial formula but acknowledges the numerical value as correct.
  • Another participant provides an alternative formula for the super-golden ratio, calculated using a specific arithmetic method.
  • One participant notes that the equation has two additional imaginary solutions, providing their numerical approximations.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial definition of the super-golden ratio and suggests a correction to the formula presented earlier.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the formulas presented, with some questioning the initial formula while others provide alternative expressions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive properties and implications of the super-golden ratio.

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There are indications of potential errors in the formulas provided, and the discussion includes various mathematical approaches that may depend on specific definitions or assumptions. The recursive properties mentioned may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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The Supergolden ratio is the solution of x3=x2+1.

\psi = \left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2\ \times 3^{{{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}} \right)^{{{1}\over{3}}} {{1}\over{9\,\left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2\ \times3^{ {{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}}\right)^{{{1}\over{3}}}}} {{1}\over{ 3}}\approx 1.46557123187675

Can anyone tell me some of its properties, Thanks.
 
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Hmm, like the golden rectangle, the super golden rectangle has square related recursive properties:

-> Say you have the supergolden rect and you draw a line in it to make a square, then you dot a line from the corner of the rect/square to the opposite corner of the rect you will have an intersecting point. drawing a line across the not square part of your rectangle and you're left with a tall rect and the supergolden rect (a size down).

sorry I'm not better at explaining things, it's related to the cattle sequence and can't be made using a compass like the golden rect.
 
Could be, your formula is wrong ?
Anyway, the value is OK

See more at www.wolframalpha.com and enter:

Solve[x^3 == x^2 + 1, x]
 
For your convenience:

\psi = \frac{1}{6}*(2 + (116-12*\sqrt{93})^{\frac{1}{3}}+ (116+12*\sqrt{93})^{\frac{1}{3}}) ≈1.46557123187677

calculated via PB EXT arithmetic as:

e(1) = 116 - 12*SQR(93)
e(2) = 116 + 12*SQR(93)
result = (2+e(1)^(1/3)+e(2)^(1/3))/6.0
 
Perhaps I should note, that the equation has two additional (imaginary) solutions:

\frac{1}{12}*(4-\sqrt[3]{116-12*\sqrt{93}}-\sqrt[3]{116+12*\sqrt{93}}\pm \sqrt{3}*(\sqrt[3]{116-12*\sqrt{93}}-\sqrt[3]{116+12*\sqrt{93}})*I)

The numerical approximative values are:

-0.232785615938384 \pm 0.792551992515448 * I
 
dimension10 said:
The Supergolden ratio is the solution of x3=x2+1.

\psi = \left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2\ \times 3^{{{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}} \right)^{{{1}\over{3}}} {{1}\over{9\,\left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2\ \times3^{ {{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}}\right)^{{{1}\over{3}}}}} {{1}\over{ 3}}\approx 1.46557123187675

Can anyone tell me some of its properties, Thanks.

I think I made a mistake. It should be

x= \left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2 \times 3^{{{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}} \right)^{{{1}\over{3}}} + {{1}\over{9\,\left({{\sqrt{31}}\over{2\times 3^{ {{3}\over{2}}}}} {{29}\over{54}}\right)^{{{1}\over{3}}}}}+ {{1}\over{ 3}}
 

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