Prove AM-GM Inequality: What Values to Use?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean (AM-GM) inequality to prove a specific inequality involving the expression \(4x + 10y\) and the term \(1080x^2y\). Participants explore various approaches to identify suitable values and terms to apply the AM-GM inequality effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rewriting the left-hand side (LHS) to apply AM-GM with three terms, proposing the form \(4x + 10y \geq \sqrt[3]{1080 x^2 y}\).
  • Another participant discusses separating \(4x\) into \(2x + 2x\) to facilitate the application of AM-GM, leading to the inequality \(\frac{2x + 2x + 10y}{3} \geq (2x \cdot 2x \cdot 10y)^{\frac{1}{3}}\).
  • There is a reiteration of the need to express the inequality in a form suitable for AM-GM, emphasizing the relationship between the terms used and the geometric mean on the right-hand side (RHS).
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the exact values to use for \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) in the AM-GM application, indicating a need for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of applying AM-GM to three terms but differ on the specific values and arrangements needed to prove the inequality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach and values to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific numerical values and terms but do not reach a consensus on the best method to apply AM-GM, indicating potential limitations in their approaches and assumptions about the terms involved.

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Could someone please help me with this question:

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What values are we meant to use to prove this inequality?

many thanks
 

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Try and put things into a form where you can use the AM-GM inequality. Here you have a power of three on the LHS, which means you're probably going to have to consider AM-GM with three terms. So we try this (note the inequality sign doesn't change because the cube root function is strictly increasing over the positive reals):

$$4x + 10y \geq \sqrt[3]{1080 x^2 y}$$

But we only have two variables here! But look: there's an $x^2$ term on the RHS, and we know that here the RHS will be the geometric mean (and the LHS the arithmetic mean), so that means we probably have two terms in $x$ and one in $y$. First let's put the LHS in the right form as an actual mean, so we get:

$$\frac{12x + 30y}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{1080 x^2 y}$$

That's looking a bit closer to what we need. So now we want to write the above in the form below where we can directly apply AM-GM:

$$\frac{ax + bx + cy}{3} \geq \sqrt[3]{abc x^2 y}$$

Can you see why once we find good values of $a$, $b$, $c$ we will be able to apply AM-GM directly? (hint: $abcx^2y = (ax)(bx)(cy)$). Can you now solve for $a$, $b$ and $c$ and conclude? (hint: $c$ is already given, so you have a system of two equations in two variables).
 
Hi delc1,

First I played with the sum of $4x$ and $10y$ and applied the AM-GM and I ended up with $\dfrac{4x+10y}{2}\ge (4x\cdot10y)^{\dfrac{1}{2}}_{\phantom{i}}$. This gave us the idea that if we wanted the power of 3 on one side of the inequaliy sign, we must apply the AM-GM inequality to a total of 3 terms.

Note that $1080=2^33^35$ and that the RHS of the inequality$(4x+10y)^3\ge1080x^2y$ consists of two $x$ and and one $y$, I know I must separate the $4x$ into the sum of $2x+2x$ and by applying the AM-GM to the terms $2x,\,2x,\,10y$, I get:

$\dfrac{2x+2x+10y}{3}\ge (2x\cdot2x\cdot10y)^{\dfrac{1}{3}}_{\phantom{i}}$, or equivalently,

$(4x+10y)^3\ge1080x^2y$
 
anemone said:
Hi delc1,

First I played with the sum of $4x$ and $10y$ and applied the AM-GM and I ended up with $\dfrac{4x+10y}{2}\ge (4x\cdot10y)^{\dfrac{1}{2}}_{\phantom{i}}$. This gave us the idea that if we wanted the power of 3 on one side of the inequaliy sign, we must apply the AM-GM inequality to a total of 3 terms.

Note that $1080=2^33^35$ and that the RHS of the inequality$(4x+10y)^3\ge1080x^2y$ consists of two $x$ and and one $y$, I know I must separate the $4x$ into the sum of $2x+2x$ and by applying the AM-GM to the terms $2x,\,2x,\,10y$, I get:

$\dfrac{2x+2x+10y}{3}\ge (2x\cdot2x\cdot10y)^{\dfrac{1}{3}}_{\phantom{i}}$, or equivalently,

$(4x+10y)^3\ge1080x^2y$

Thanks all, the help is always appreciated!
 

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