Prove angular momentum operator identity

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The discussion revolves around proving an operator identity related to angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically the expression for the square of the angular momentum operator, \(\hat{L}^2\), using the operators \(\hat{L}_-\), \(\hat{L}_+\), and \(\hat{L}_z\). Participants are tasked with demonstrating that \(\hat{L}^2\) can be expressed in a specific form involving derivatives with respect to spherical coordinates.

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  • Participants explore the manipulation of operator identities and the application of angular momentum operators. There are attempts to expand the product of operators and concerns about the treatment of exponential terms and derivatives. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the derivation and question the correctness of their steps.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the handling of operator products and the distribution of derivatives. Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on specific steps. Multiple interpretations of the operator manipulations are being explored, indicating a productive discussion.

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Some participants note potential confusion regarding the treatment of operators and the implications of their non-commutative nature. There is also mention of the complexity involved in the calculations, which may require careful attention to detail.

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Homework Statement



Using the operator identity:
[tex] \hat{L}^2=\hat{L}_-\hat{L}_+ +\hat{L}_z^2 + \hbar\hat{L}_z[/tex] show explicitly:
[tex] \hat{L}^2 = -\hbar^2 \left[<br /> \frac{1}{\sin^2\theta} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial\phi^2} +<br /> \frac{1}{\sin\theta} \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}<br /> \left(\sin\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)<br /> \right][/tex](Note: all L are operators, i.e. L(hat))

Homework Equations


[tex] \hat{L}_\pm = \hbar e^{\pm i\phi}\left(\pm \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) \\<br /> \hat{L}_z = -i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



\begin{align*}
\hat{L}^2 &= \hat{L}_-\hat{L}_+ + \hat{L}_z^2 + \hbar \hat{L}_z \\
&= \hbar e^{-i\phi}\left(- \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) \times \hbar e^{+i\phi}\left(+ \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) + \left(-i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 + \hbar \left(-i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) \\
&= \hbar^2\left[\left(- \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)\right] -\hbar^2\frac{\partial^2}{\partial\phi^2} - i\hbar^2\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi} \\
&= -\hbar^2\left[\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)^2 + \left(\cot\theta\right)^2 + \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 + i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right] \\
&= -\hbar^2\left[\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2\left(\cot^2\theta+1\right) + i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right] \\
&= -\hbar^2\left[\left( \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2\left(\frac{1}{\sin^2\theta}\right) + i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right]
\end{align*}

not sure how to procced from here, it's close to the required form but I do not know how to deal with the [itex]i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}[/itex] term or I might have made mistakes...

Hope someone can help, thanks
 
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Hi Tom, welcome to PF!

Tom_12 said:
[itex] =\hbar e^{-i\phi}(-∂/∂θ+icotθ∂/∂\phi) \times \hbar e^{+i\phi}(+∂/∂θ+icotθ∂/∂\phi) +(-i\hbar ∂/∂\phi)^2 + \hbar -i\hbar ∂/∂\phi[/itex]
[itex] =\hbar^2[(-∂/∂θ+icotθ∂/∂\phi)(∂/∂θ+icotθ∂/∂\phi)]-\hbar^2∂^2/∂\phi ^2-i\hbar^2∂/∂\phi [/itex]
In this step, you seem to have forgotten that you are dealing with operators. For instance, you can't just cancel out ##e^{-i\phi}## and ##e^{+i\phi}## because there is a ##∂/∂\phi## inbetween them.
 
DrClaude said:
Hi Tom, welcome to PF!In this step, you seem to have forgotten that you are dealing with operators. For instance, you can't just cancel out ##e^{-i\phi}## and ##e^{+i\phi}## because there is a ##\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}## in between them.

Ok, I have no idea if what I'm doing is right, but would really appreciate some guidance here:
\begin{align*}
&= \hbar e^{-i\phi} \left(-\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)
\hbar e^{+i\phi} \left(+\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + i\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) +
\left(-i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 -
i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi} \\
&= \hbar \left(e^{-i\phi}\left(-\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right) + ie^{-i\phi}\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) \hbar \left(e^{+i\phi}\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right) + ie^{+i\phi}\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right) +\left(-i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 -i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial\phi} \\
&= -\hbar^2 \left[e^{-2i\phi} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)^2 - e^{-2i\phi}\cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} - \cot\theta\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta} + \cot^2\theta + \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 + i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right] \\
&= -\hbar^2 \left[e^{-2i\phi} \left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta}\right)^2 + e^{-2i\phi}\csc^2\theta + \csc^2\theta + \cot^2\theta +\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right)^2 + i\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}\right]
\end{align*}
I think I'm doing something where as this doesn't seem to be going anyway...
 
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Start by considering only ##\hat{L}_- \hat{L}_+##:
$$
\hat{L}_- \hat{L}_+ = \hbar^2 e^{-i \phi} \left( - \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} \right) e^{i \phi} \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} \right)
$$
If you distribute ##\hat{L}_-## on ##\hat{L}_+##,
$$
\frac{\hat{L}_- \hat{L}_+}{\hbar^2} = - e^{-i \phi} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} e^{i \phi} \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\right) + e^{-i \phi} i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} \left[ e^{i \phi} \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} \right) \right]
$$
Then
$$
- e^{-i \phi} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \left( e^{i \phi} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \right) = - \frac{\partial^2}{\partial \theta^2}
$$
and
$$
- e^{-i \phi} \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \left( e^{i \phi} i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}\right) = i \csc^2 \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi} - i \cot \theta \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}
$$
and so on.

It is a bit tedious, but just remember the "rule"
$$
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x) g(y) = \frac{df}{dx} g(y) + f(x) g(y) \frac{\partial}{\partial x}
$$
 
I see, thank you very much
 

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