Prove combination of two sets contains an open ball

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem concerning the sum of two measurable sets in R^n, specifically proving that the sum set E+E contains an open ball when E is a measurable subset with positive measure. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical proofs related to measure theory and convolutions.

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  • One participant suggests that measurability guarantees the existence of an open ball in E, and proposes constructing an open ball in the sum set B+B.
  • Another participant counters this by providing an example of the irrationals, which are a subset of full measure but do not contain any interval, questioning the initial claim.
  • Following the hint provided in the problem, a participant discusses the convolution of the indicator function for E, noting that the convolution is continuous and not identically zero, implying the existence of an open set in E+E where the convolution is positive.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a fat Cantor set and suggests that if E contains an interval, the problem is trivially solved, while also mentioning convolutions and related mathematical concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of measurability and the existence of open sets in the sum of sets. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial claim regarding measurability and the existence of an open ball in E+E.

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Participants reference specific mathematical concepts such as convolutions, indicator functions, and examples from measure theory, indicating a reliance on definitions and properties that may not be universally agreed upon or fully resolved in the discussion.

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So this was an exam question that our professor handed out ( In class. I didn't get the question right)

Let E be a subset of R^n, n>= 2. Suppose that E measurable and m(E)>0. Prove that:

E+E = {x+y: x in E, y in E } contains an open ball.

(The text Zygmund that we used showed an example that E-E defined in similar sense contains an open interval centered at the origin, where E is a subset of R. Stein had another problem that asked to show that E+E contains an open interval.

I'm assuming that's where he got the problem, but I'm not sure that the same method works, since he gave a hint to prove that the convolution: chi(e)*chi(e) is continuous at the origin. )
 
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I'd say that measurability guarantees an open ball ##B## in ##E##. Now try to construct an open ball in ##B+B##.
 
@fresh_42 That is not the case. The irrationals are subset of a full measure in, say, ##[0,1]##, but do not contain any interval.

Following the hint: consider the convolution ##f=\chi_E*\chi_E##, where ##\chi_E## is the indicator function for ##E##. By the definition of convolution, ##f(x)=m(E\cap (x-E))##. From this formula, we have that ##f## is supported on ##E+E##. Since ##f## is continuous and not identically zero (as it integrates to ##m(E)^2##), this means that there is an open set in ##E+E## on which ##f## is positive.
 
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Or try a fat Cantor set, i.e., remove less than 1/3 at each stage. Of course, if E itself contains an interval, we are done. EDIT: This reminds me of convolutions, exhustions by open and compact sets, maybe additive Lie groups and neighborhoods of unity.
 
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