Prove Convergence of $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n$ and $\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n$

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n\) and \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n\), where \(b_n = a_n + 2a_{n+1} - a_{n+2}\) and it is given that \(\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = 0\). Participants are exploring the relationship between the convergence of these two series.

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  • Participants are attempting to relate the convergence of \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n\) to \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n\) through partial sums and limits. Some are questioning how to utilize the limit condition of \(a_n\) in their proofs. Others are exploring the implications of the series' definitions and considering counterexamples.

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There is ongoing exploration of both directions of the proof. Some participants have provided insights into the forward direction, suggesting that it may not be as challenging as the reverse direction. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the reverse implication, and participants are seeking further hints and clarification.

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Participants have noted the importance of the limit condition \(\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = 0\) and its role in the proof. There is also mention of potential issues with reindexing series and the implications of dropping terms during such processes.

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Homework Statement .

Let ##\{a_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## a sequence of real numbers such that ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0## and let ##b_n=a_n+2a_{n+1}-a_{n+2}##.

Prove that ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## is convergent iff ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is convergent.

The attempt at a solution.

Honestly, I don't have a clue how to prove this. I know that if ##\{a_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## is convergent, then for a given ##ε>0##, there exists ##N : m,n>N## (suppose ##n>m##) ##\implies |\sum_{i=1}^ n a_i -\sum_{i=1}^ m a_i|=|a_{m+1}+...+a_n|<\epsilon##. I've tried to relate this to partial sums of the series ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## but I couldn't conclude anything. With the other implication I am also stuck. And I don't see how to use the fact that ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0##.
 
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Homework Statement .

Let ##\{a_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## a sequence of real numbers such that ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0## and let ##b_n=a_n+2a_{n+1}-a_{n+2}##.

Prove that ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## is convergent iff ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is convergent.

The attempt at a solution.

Honestly, I don't have a clue how to prove this. I know that if ##\{a_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## is convergent, then for a given ##ε>0##, there exists ##N : m,n>N## (suppose ##n>m##) ##\implies |\sum_{i=1}^ n a_i -\sum_{i=1}^ m a_i|=|a_{m+1}+...+a_n|<\epsilon##. I've tried to relate this to partial sums of the series ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## but I couldn't conclude anything. With the other implication I am also stuck. And I don't see how to use the fact that ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0##.

You really shouldn't be stuck on the forward direction. If ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n=L## then what are ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n+1}## and ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n+2}##? So it should be pretty easy to guess what ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is and prove it using partial sums. The reverse direction is the harder one. That's where you need ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0##. If not then a counterexample is ##a_n=1## for all n. Then ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## converges but ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## doesn't.
 
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Dick said:
You really shouldn't be stuck on the forward direction. If ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n=L## then what are ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n+1}## and ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n+2}##? So it should be pretty easy to guess what ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is and prove it using partial sums. The reverse direction is the harder one. That's where you need ##lim_{n \to \infty} a_n=0##. If not then a counterexample is ##a_n=1## for all n. Then ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## converges but ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## doesn't.

It's true, the forward direction wasn't difficult:

Lets prove that ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n=2L-a_1+a_2##

By hypothesis, ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## is convergent. Call its limit ##L##, then given ##\epsilon>0##, there exists ##N_{\epsilon} : \forall n\geq N_{\epsilon} \implies |\sum_{i=1}^n a_i -L|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}##.

Then, for ##n\geq N_{\epsilon}##, ##|\sum_{i=1}^n b_i -(2L-a_1+a_2)|=|\sum_{i=1}^n a_i + 2\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+1}-\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+2}-(2L-a_1+a_2)|##. By an index change of the form ##j=i+1## and ##k=i+2##, we have

##|\sum_{i=1}^n a_i + 2\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+1}-\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+2}-(2L-a_1+a_2)|=|\sum_{i=1}^n a_i + 2\sum_{j=1}^{n+1} a_j-2a_1-\sum_{k=1}^{n+2} a_k+ a_1+a_2-(2L-a_1+a_2)|=|\sum_{i=1}^n a_i-L + 2\sum_{j=1}^{n+1} a_j-2L+L-\sum_{k=1}^{n+2} a_k|\leq |\sum_{i=1}^n a_i-L|+2|\sum_{j=1}^{n+1} a_j-L|+|\sum_{k=1}^{n+2} a_k-L|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}+\dfrac{2\epsilon}{3}+\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}=\dfrac{4\epsilon}{3}##.

This proves ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is convergent and that its limit is ##2L-a_1+a_2##

I haven't retried the other direction. Now I'll put the matter in my hands (brain). Thanks!
 
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It's true, the forward direction wasn't difficult:

Lets prove that ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n=2L##

By hypothesis, ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n## is convergent. Call its limit ##L##, then given ##\epsilon>0##, there exists ##N_{\epsilon} : n\geq N_{\epsilon} \implies |\sum_{i=1}^n a_i -L|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}##. Note that for ## n\geq N_{\epsilon}##, ##|\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+1} -L|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}## and ##|\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+2} -L|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{3}## (this could be proved by an index change of the form ##j=i+1## and ##j=i+2##).

Then, for ##n\geq N_{\epsilon}##, ##|\sum_{i=1}^n b_i -2L|=|\sum_{i=1}^n a_i -L + 2\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+1} -2L+L-\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+2}|\leq |\sum_{i=1}^n a_i -L|+2|\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+1} -L|+|\sum_{i=1}^n a_{i+2}-L|<\dfrac{4\epsilon}{3}##. This proves ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n## is convergent and that its limit is ##2L##.

I haven't retried the other direction. Now I'll put the matter in my hands (brain). Thanks!

Sort of, but you can't just reindex series like that without paying some attention to the terms you dropping by doing that. I think ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n=2L-a_0+a_1##.
 
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Dick said:
Sort of, but you can't just reindex like that without paying some attention to the terms you dropping by doing that. I think ##\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} b_n=2L-a_0+a_1##.

You're right, but I think the limit is ##2L-a_1+a_2##, I suppose you were considering the first term of the sequence to start at ##n=0## and not ##1##. Now I correct my post. By the way, I still don't know how to prove the other implication, could you give me one more hint?
 
mahler1 said:
You're right, but I think the limit is ##2L-a_1+a_2##, I suppose you were considering the first term of the sequence to start at ##n=0## and not ##1##. Now I correct my post. By the way, I still don't know how to prove the other implication, could you give me one more hint?

Yes, you are right. I was starting at n=0. Sorry. And I haven't even thought about going the other way yet. But I'm not going to do that until tomorrow. Yawn! That gives you some time to think about it and beat me to the punch.
 
Dick said:
Yes, you are right. I was starting at n=0. Sorry. And I haven't even thought about going the other way yet. But I'm not going to do that until tomorrow. Yawn! That gives you some time to think about it and beat me to the punch.

Thanks for all the suggestions and corrections. I am going to bed now and see if I have some sort of brain illumination while sleeping.
 
mahler1 said:
I still don't know how to prove the other implication, could you give me one more hint?
it's essentially the same. What is the difference between the two sums taken from 1 to r?
 
haruspex said:
it's essentially the same. What is the difference between the two sums taken from 1 to r?

Your question led me to this:

Lets call ##s_n=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k##, ##t_n=\sum_{k=1}^n b_k##. I'll prove that ##\lim_{n \to \infty} 2s_n-t_n=a_1-a_2##. From this, one immediately could deduce that ##\{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges iff ##\{t_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges.

##2s_n-t_n=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n b_k=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-2\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k+1}+\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k+2}=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-2\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k}-2a_{n+1}+2a_1+\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k}+a_{n+2}+a_{n+1}-a_1-a_2=2s_n-s_n-2s_n+s_n+(a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2)=a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2##.

Then, ##\lim_{n \to \infty} 2s_n-t_n=\lim_{n \to \infty} a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2=a_1-a_2##.

It follows that ##\{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges iff ##\{t_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges.
 
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Your question led me to this:

Lets call ##s_n=\sum_{k=1}^n a_k##, ##t_n=\sum_{k=1}^n b_k##. I'll prove that ##\lim_{n \to \infty} 2s_n-t_n=a_1-a_2##. From this, one immediately could deduce that ##\{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges iff ##\{t_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges.

##2s_n-t_n=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n b_k=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-2\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k+1}+\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k+2}=2\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-\sum_{k=1}^n a_k-2\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k}-2a_{n+1}+2a_1+\sum_{k=1}^n a_{k}+a_{n+2}+a_{n+1}-a_1-a_2=2s_n-s_n-2s_n+s_n+(a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2)=a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2##.

Then, ##\lim_{n \to \infty} 2s_n-t_n=\lim_{n \to \infty} a_{n+2}-a_{n+1}+a_1-a_2=a_1-a_2##.

It follows that ##\{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges iff ##\{t_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## converges.
Looks good.
 
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