Prove Equation Without Substitution: a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n=0

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation a0 + a1x + a2x^2 + ... + anx^n = 0 under the condition that a0 + (a1/2) + (a2/3) + ... + (an/n+1) = 0, specifically without using substitution. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the Mean Value Theorem, and clarify the requirements of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help proving the equation without substitution, noting the challenge of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem requires showing there exists an x in (0,1) such that the polynomial equals zero, indicating the use of the Mean Value Theorem.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to construct a polynomial function from the constants a0, a1, ..., an and apply the Mean Value Theorem to this function.
  • Some participants express confusion about the application of the Mean Value Theorem and the nature of the function required for the proof.
  • One participant asserts that the integral of the derivative leads to a specific polynomial form, while another challenges this assertion, insisting on the correct formulation of the function.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the correct application of the Mean Value Theorem and the formulation of the function needed for the proof. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the proof without substitution.

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Some participants note limitations in understanding the Mean Value Theorem and its application to the problem, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect the discussion.

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hi,

I have this equation that i need to prove i used numbers and worked but you have to prove it without substitution, here is the question.

let a1,a2,...,an be all real number with the property that:

a0+(a1/2)+(a2/3)+...(an/n+1)=0


prove that:

a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n=0

this question is consider a challenging problem.

so anyone can please help? thank you
 
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from rudin, this is actually one of the easier problems. But you didn't really state the problem fully: it's asking you to show there exists a x in (0,1) so that

a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n=0

You will need to use the Mean Value Theorem. If f'(x)=a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n, what is f(x)?
 
sorry i did not put the full question it is really the interval (0,1) but there is no f(x) in the question only equations are:
1- a0+(a1/2)+(a2/3)+...(an/n+1)=0

2- a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n=0

that's it and if you use the mean value theorem you are going only to get a0 when x=0 and the same second equation when x=1
so howto do it? hank for your help
 
IF you put

f'(x)=a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n

WHAT MUST f(x) be?

Use the Mean value theorem on f(x).

I think you need to review the statement of the mean value theorem and the theory in general because it your last post indicates you don't understand it well. The MVT works for FUNCTIONS not simply equations.

The problem REQUIRES you to CONSTRUCT a polynomial function based on the constants a_0,..,a_n - it is here that you are required to be somewhat clever (if you've ever differentiated or integrated before the proper function you need to create it obvious) And from there use the two equations given to show that the function vanishes at 1 and at 0, and the rest is an application of the mean value theorem.
 
i started it three times with the mean value theorem (roll's, general mean value theorem,& integral mean value theorem), how ever, it didn't work so if you were in my case what will be your way of solving this question!
 
ok we have to integral
f'(x)=a0+a1x+a2x^2+...+anx^n
so we can apply the mean value theorem, and the integral of this equation is a0+(a1/2)+(a2/3)+...(an/n+1)
is that right?
 
No, it's not. The integral is the FUNCTION
[tex]c+ a_0 x+ \frac{a_1}{2} x^2+ \frac{a_2}{3} x^3+ \cdot\cdot\cdot + \frac{a_n}{n+1} x^{n+1}[/tex]
where c can be any constant.

Apply the mean value theorem to THAT function.
 

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