Prove limit of (sin2x)/(2x) as x approached 0 is 1?

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of (sin2x)/(2x) as x approaches 0 is 1, utilizing the epsilon/delta definition of limits. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the application of the known limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0.

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of the limit problem using the substitution y=2x and the implications of the epsilon/delta definition. Some express a desire for proofs of the limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0, while others explore geometric interpretations and Taylor series expansions.

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There is an ongoing exploration of various methods to approach the limit proof, including epsilon/delta definitions and geometric reasoning. Participants are sharing insights and resources, but no consensus has been reached on a single method or proof.

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Some participants question the assumptions underlying the definitions of sine and the implications of using geometric interpretations. There are mentions of specific constraints related to the definitions of sine and the context of the problem.

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Prove limit of (sin2x)/(2x) as x approached 0 is 1. By prove I mean using the epsilon/delta definition of precise limit. You may use the fact that the limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0 is 1.


attempt: (where E=epsilon and d=delta)

|(sin2x)/(2x) - 1| < E if |x|<d

2(-E+1) < (sin2x)/(2x) < 2(E+1)

...now I am guessing that from here you need to isolate the x so as to get |x| is less than some expression, which solves for delta. But when I try this I keep getting that x is greater than some number, not less. Also I do not know what my professor means by being able to use the limit of sinx/x?
 
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So you know that if

|y|&lt;\delta~\Rightarrow~|\frac{\sin(y)}{y}-1|&lt;\varepsilon

You need to find

|x|&lt;\delta~\Rightarrow~|\frac{\sin(2x)}{2x}-1|&lt;\varepsilon

Obviously, y=2x here...
 
I would like to know if there's any proof of "limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0 is 1." ..
 
lswtech said:
I would like to know if there's any proof of "limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0 is 1." ..

Sure, watch http://www.khanacademy.org/video/proof--lim--sin-x--x?playlist=Calculus
 
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How "limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0 is 1." is proven depends upon how sine has been defined. If for example sin'(0)=1 in included in the definition the result is trivial.
 
lswtech said:
I would like to know if there's any proof of "limit of (sinx)/x as x approaches 0 is 1." ..

Think of a circle with radius r, and a differential angle dtheta that spans r*dtheta from the center on the circumference.

Sin(dtheta ) = r*dtheta / r , right ( although it seems there are 2 hypotenuses both being r, take one of them accepting the other is across the angle that is about 89.999999999... degrees )

So Sin(dtheta)*r=r*dtheta

cancel r's

to get to the eqn

Sin(dtheta)/(dtheta ) = 1

which interprets to lim x---> 0 , Sin x / x = 1
 
Yes thanks for replies above.

But in fact I have watched somewhere else, saying that the area of circle = pi * r^2 is dependent on the result sinx/x = 1 as x->0

Say, cut the circle of radius r into n equal partitions (each with angle n/2pi in the center) and area of the circle = n*r^2 /2 *sin(n/2pi) (by area of triangle = A*B*1/2*sin(angle between AB)

Take n tends to infinity, you get pi *r^2Is there any proofs either than geometric reasoning? Say, something like epsilon-delta stuff? thanks in advance!
 
The most straightforward method is to use the Taylor series in the vicinity of the origin:

\frac{\sin x}{x} = 1 - \frac{x^2}{6} +\frac{x^4}{120} + \mathcal{O}(x^6)

Clearly the limit is 1 as x vanishes.
 
Oh thank you!
But how to show that the Taylor expansion does equal to sinx without using sinx/x->1 at all? I am teaching a group of students which I want to make sure everything goes in the right path and get rid of "circular proofs"! thx!
 
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my concern is - how can we show the area of sector is 1/2*pheta?

and would there be any simple ways with epsilon-delta?
 
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lswtech said:
my concern is - how can we show the area of sector is 1/2*pheta?
As I said above, you don't need to use the geometrical setting. You can simply say that \sin\theta&lt;\theta&lt;\tan\theta for \theta\in(0,\pi/2). This could be illustrated by plotting the functions together: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+sin(x),x,tan(x)+for+x=0..pi/2
 
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Thank you very much! but are there any simple proofs of x>sinx and x<tanx?
 
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sin(x) is chosen so that sin'(0)=1
it is just a convention
 

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