Prove Linear Independence of Vector Sums

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the linear independence of the sum of two vectors, v1 and v2, given that they are linearly independent. Participants explore the implications of adding these vectors to the set and the conditions under which the resulting set remains linearly independent.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to prove that the sum of two linearly independent vectors, v1 and v2, is also linearly independent.
  • Another participant questions the basis of linear independence, asking "Linearly independent from what?"
  • A participant clarifies their question, specifying that they want to show that the set {v1, v2, v1 + v2} is linearly independent given that v1 and v2 are linearly independent.
  • One participant asserts that the set {v1, v2, v1 + v2} is always linearly dependent, as v1 + v2 can be expressed as a linear combination of v1 and v2.
  • Another participant discusses the conditions under which the set is linearly independent, proposing a mathematical expression involving coefficients a, b, and c, and questioning whether other values can satisfy the equation.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the implications of the equations derived from the linear combination, suggesting that there are multiple solutions depending on the choice of c.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the set {v1, v2, v1 + v2} can be linearly independent. Some argue it cannot be, while others explore the conditions under which it might be dependent or independent, indicating a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for specific conditions and definitions related to linear independence and dependency, but these assumptions and definitions remain unresolved within the discussion.

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How can I prove given an arbitrary set of vectors v1 and v2, given they are linearly independent, that their sum (v1 + v2) is also linearly independent?
 
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Linearly independent from what?
 
let me rephrase that, how can i show that v1,v2, and v1+v2 is linearly independent given v1 and v2 is linearly independent. I seemed to have left out a key statement.
 
You can't. Try to find the linear dependency
 
I see. How can I prove otherwise?
 
Well, how do you prove that a set of vectors is linearly dependent?
 
[tex]\vec{v_{1}}, \vec{v_{1}}, \mbox{ and }\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2}[/tex] are linearly independent if the only solution to

[tex]a\vec{v_{1}}+b\vec{v_{2}}+c(\vec{v_{1}}+\vec{v_{2}})=0[/tex]

is [tex]a=0, b=0, c=0[/tex].

Is this the case, or can you find other values that satisfy this equation?
 
canephalanx said:
let me rephrase that, how can i show that v1,v2, and v1+v2 is linearly independent given v1 and v2 is linearly independent. I seemed to have left out a key statement.

The set {v1, v1, v1 + v2 } is always linearly dependent, since the third one listed is a linear combination of the first two.
 
JThompson said:
[tex]\vec{v_{1}}, \vec{v_{1}}, \mbox{ and }\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2}[/tex] are linearly independent if the only solution to

[tex]a\vec{v_{1}}+b\vec{v_{2}}+c(\vec{v_{1}}+\vec{v_{2}})=0[/tex]

is [tex]a=0, b=0, c=0[/tex].

Is this the case, or can you find other values that satisfy this equation?
Well, that reduces to (a+ c)v1+ (b+ c)v1= 0. Since v1 and v2 are independent, you must have a+ c= 0 and b+ c= 0. Obviously a= b= c is one solution to that but those are only two equations in three unknows. We can typically solve two equations in two unknowns. Okay, solve for a and b, say, treating c as a number. Then let c be whatever you want.

Solving for a and b "in terms of c" gives a= -c and b= -c. Take c to be anything you like and find a and b. If you happen to select c= 0, then, of course, you get a= b= c= 0. But what if you select c= 1?
 

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