MHB Prove Primary Ideals in \mathbb{Z}: Peter's Questions Answered

[Math Amateur]

In Dummit and Foote on page 682 Example 1 reads as follows:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The primary ideals in \mathbb{Z} are 0 and the ideals (p^m) for p a prime and m \ge 1.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So given what D&F say, (4) is obviously not primary.

I began trying to show from definition that (4) was not a primary from the definition, but failed to do this

Can anyone help in this ... and come up with an easy way to show that (4) is not primary?

Further, can anyone please help me prove that the primary ideals in \mathbb{Z} are 0 and the ideals (p^m) for p a prime and m \ge 1.

PeterNote: the definition of a primary idea is given in D&F as follows:

Definition. A proper ideal Q in the commutative ring R is called primary if whenever ab \in Q and a \notin Q then b^n \in Q for some positive integer n.

Equivalently, if ab \in Q and a \notin Q then b \in rad \ Q

 

[Opalg]

In Dummit and Foote on page 682 Example 1 reads as follows:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The primary ideals in \mathbb{Z} are 0 and the ideals (p^m) for p a prime and m \ge 1.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So given what D&F say, (4) is obviously not primary.

But (4) is primary, because $4 = 2^2$, which is a power of a prime.

 

[Math Amateur]

But (4) is primary, because $4 = 2^2$, which is a power of a prime.

oh! You are right of course!

Thanks so much for that! :-(

Peter

 

[Math Amateur]

oh! You are right of course!

Thanks so much for that! :-(

Peter

Are you able to indicate how a proof regarding the nature of the ideals in Z in general might go?Peter

 

[Opalg]

Are you able to indicate how a proof regarding the nature of the ideals in Z in general might go?

To show that $(4)$ is primary, we have to show that if ab \in (4) and a \notin (4) then b^n \in (4) for some positive integer $n.$

So suppose that $ab\in(4)$, in other words $ab$ is a multiple of $4$, and that $a\notin(4)$. Thus $a$ could be an odd number, or an odd multiple of $2$, but not a multiple of $4$. It follows that $b$ cannot be an odd number, so it must be a multiple of $2$, say $b=2c.$ Then $b^2 = 4c^2\in(4)$.

The same argument applies for any prime power $p^m$. If $ab\in(p^m)$ but $a\notin(p^m)$ then $b$ must be a multiple of $p$ and so $b^m\in(p^m).$

To show that $(6)$, for example, is not primary, use the fact that $6=2\times3$. If you take $a=2$ and $b=3$ in the definition of a primary ideal, you see that $2$ is not a multiple of $6$, so the definition asks that some power of $3$ should be a multiple of $6$. But that cannot happen, because every power of $3$ is an odd number. Therefore the definition of primary is not satisfied and so $(6)$ is not a primary ideal of $\mathbb Z.$

 

[Math Amateur]

To show that $(4)$ is primary, we have to show that if ab \in (4) and a \notin (4) then b^n \in (4) for some positive integer $n.$

So suppose that $ab\in(4)$, in other words $ab$ is a multiple of $4$, and that $a\notin(4)$. Thus $a$ could be an odd number, or an odd multiple of $2$, but not a multiple of $4$. It follows that $b$ cannot be an odd number, so it must be a multiple of $2$, say $b=2c.$ Then $b^2 = 4c^2\in(4)$

The same argument applies for any prime power $p^m$. If $ab\in(p^m)$ but $a\notin(p^m)$ then $b$ must be a multiple of $p$ and so $b^m\in(p^m).$

To show that $(6)$, for example, is not primary, use the fact that $6=2\times3$. If you take $a=2$ and $b=3$ in the definition of a primary ideal, you see that $2$ is not a multiple of $6$, so the definition asks that some power of $3$ should be a multiple of $6$. But that cannot happen, because every power of $3$ is an odd number. Therefore the definition of primary is not satisfied and so $(6)$ is not a primary ideal of $\mathbb Z.$

Thanks for the helpful post, Opalg

Appreciate your help,Peter

 

[Math Amateur]

I have been reflecting on Opalg's helpful post above ... and I think I need a bit more help ...

I can follow the particular numerical cases but I am having trouble in showing, formally and explicitly, that ...

$$ ab \in (p^m) $$ and $$ a \notin (p^m) $$

$$ \Longrightarrow b $$ is a multiple of $$ p $$

Would appreciate help in this matter.

Peter

 

[Opalg]

I am having trouble in showing, formally and explicitly, that ...

$$ ab \in (p^m) $$ and $$ a \notin (p^m) $$

$$ \Longrightarrow b $$ is a multiple of $$ p $$

Would appreciate help in this matter.r

Think about the prime factorisation of $ab$. It has to contain the prime $p$ at least $m$ times. If $a\notin(p^m)$ then the prime factorisation of $a$ contains $p$ fewer than $m$ times. Therefore at least one $p$ must occur in the prime factorisation of $b$.

 

[Math Amateur]

Think about the prime factorisation of $ab$. It has to contain the prime $p$ at least $m$ times. If $a\notin(p^m)$ then the prime factorisation of $a$ contains $p$ fewer than $m$ times. Therefore at least one $p$ must occur in the prime factorisation of $b$.

Thanks Oplalg, that post was REALLY helpful!

Peter