Prove |sin x|/|x| =< 1 for all x in Real Numbers.

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The discussion centers around proving the inequality |sin x|/|x| ≤ 1 for all x in the real numbers. Participants explore various approaches, including the application of the Mean-Value Theorem, and consider specific intervals and cases, such as x = 0.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the Mean-Value Theorem on |sin x| to derive a bound on the function.
  • It is proposed that focusing on the interval [-π/2, π/2] simplifies the problem, as sin(x) is bounded within this range.
  • One participant mentions that the derivative of sin(x) is always less than or equal to 1, which could help establish the boundedness of the function.
  • Another point raised is the need to consider the case when x = 0 separately, with a reference to a known limit that shows this case approaches 1.
  • There is a discussion about whether knowing the derivatives of f and g is necessary, with some arguing that boundedness alone suffices.
  • One participant emphasizes that if the derivative is bounded, it implies that the function values are also bounded within the specified interval.
  • A mathematical expression is presented to illustrate the application of the Mean-Value Theorem, although its relevance to the proof remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various approaches to the problem, and while there are some shared ideas about using the Mean-Value Theorem and focusing on specific intervals, no consensus is reached on a definitive method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering different cases, such as x = 0, and the implications of bounded derivatives, but do not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the proof.

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I was looking for some help on how to start this problem. I know that we must use the Mean-Value Theorem on |sin x| to get an f '(c). But I'm having a difficult time getting an initial start past that. Any hints and tips would be most useful. I also figure that we can let f(x) = |sin x| and g(x) = |x|.
 
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armoredfrog said:
I was looking for some help on how to start this problem. I know that we must use the Mean-Value Theorem on |sin x| to get an f '(c). But I'm having a difficult time getting an initial start past that. Any hints and tips would be most useful. I also figure that we can let f(x) = |sin x| and g(x) = |x|.

Hello armoredfrog and welcome to the forums.

The easiest way I see is focus on the interval [-pi/2,pi/2] since anything outside this region (sin(x) is bounded by [-1,1]).

As for the interval [-pi/2,pi/2], you can use the derivative and show that the derivative of the sin(x) term is always less or equal to plus or minus 1. Since the derivative has this bound, then you can show that the function itself will also be bounded.

Also since we deal with absolute value, just split function into parts for < 0 and >= 0.
 
I also forgot to mention, you have to consider the case x = 0 seperate, but there is already a result that shows this limit to be 1.
 
Okay, so we wouldn't need to know what the derivative of f and g is, just that they are bounded.
 
armoredfrog said:
Okay, so we wouldn't need to know what the derivative of f and g is, just that they are bounded.

If you show that the derivative is bounded, then indirectly that shows that the function values in the interval that has the domain bounded also has the function value bounded.

You could use further properties of the derivative to be more specific, but to me it seems pointless since its easy to show the absolute value of the derivative of sin(x) is less than or equal to 1, and from that we're done (since d/dx of x or -x is 1 or -1 respectively, and then take absolute values).
 
\frac{\sin(x)}{x}=\frac{\sin(x)-\sin(0)}{x-0}

The mean value theorem is given differentiable f and g and real a and b with a<b there exist c such that
\frac{f&#039;(c x)}{g&#039;(c x)}=\frac{f(b x)-f(a x)}{g(b x)-g(a x)}
where a<c<b
 

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