Prove that if m is the average of x1,x2, ,xk, then

  • Thread starter Thread starter blashmet
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Average
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical statement regarding averages, specifically that if \( m \) is the average of \( x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_k \), then certain conditions about the values of \( x_i \) in relation to \( m \) must hold. The problem is situated within the context of inequalities and averages.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the contrapositive approach and the implications of the values \( x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_k \) being less than \( m \). Questions are raised about the relationship between the sum of these values and \( m \), as well as how to express these ideas mathematically.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and exploring the implications of the assumptions. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between the sum of the \( x_i \) values and \( m \), with suggestions to consider specific examples to clarify reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need to express thoughts in a formal mathematical manner, indicating a potential barrier for some participants in articulating their reasoning. The discussion is framed by the constraints of the problem statement and the definitions of averages.

blashmet
Messages
15
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9242/captureyeq.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Homework Equations



Given in problem statement.

The Attempt at a Solution



Basically I've come up with the contrapositive, but I'm unsure of how to proceed with the proof. Can anyone help?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
So x_1, x_2, ..., x_k are all less than m. You're trying to show that m cannot be (x_1 + x_2 +...+ x_k)/k. What can you say about the sum x_1 + x_2 +... + x_k?
 
murmillo said:
So x_1, x_2, ..., x_k are all less than m. You're trying to show that m cannot be (x_1 + x_2 +...+ x_k)/k. What can you say about the sum x_1 + x_2 +... + x_k?


(x_1 + x_2 +... + x_k) is greater than (x_1 + x_2 +...+ x_k)/k ?


thanks for the help btw :)
 
Here are some more hints:

Yes, (x_1 + x_2 +... + x_k) is greater than (x_1 + x_2 +...+ x_k)/k. But I think that's true in general, since basically whenever you divide something by a positive integer greater than 1 you make it smaller. But we want to somehow use the fact that x_1, x_2,...,x_k are all less than m. Is there anything you can say about the sum that involves m? Remember that we're trying to show that m cannot be the sum divided by k. Think it over for a while and see if you can come up with something. Also if you really get stuck, maybe play around with some examples, like k = 5 or something and then make something up for x_1 to x_k...I dunno. Anyway, good luck!
 
Those are exactly my thoughts. It makes sense intuitively, I just don't know how to put it down in "math speak" haha.

If anyone can help that'd be sweet...
 
Hi,

OK, one more hint until I'm off to do other things:
Each of the x's are less than m. And there are k of them. So when you add all the x's together, what can you say? I mean, you want to show that m cannot be the sum of the x's divided by k. That's the same as: m times k is not the sum of the x's.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K