Prove the average external force is Zero

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The problem involves proving that the average external force of a system of particles, which starts and ends at rest, is zero. It also mentions a periodic motion scenario where the average external force over a period should be shown to be zero.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive an equation for the momentum of the system but expresses confusion regarding the definition of average force and the role of internal and external forces.
  • Some participants suggest exploring the implications of internal forces and their effects on the motion of the system, referencing Newton's laws.
  • There is a mention of the action-reaction principle and its relevance to the center of mass of the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of internal forces, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the proof.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of definition for average force, which may be a constraint in their understanding of the problem. There is also an emphasis on the distinction between internal and external forces in the context of the system's motion.

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1.Problem statement
Prove the average external force of a system of particles N starting from rest and ending at rest is zero.

Homework Equations


If the system moves periodically prove the av. external force is zero in a period

The Attempt at a Solution


I don't quite understand what i am asked .Since i don't have a definition for a average force of a system of particles. Yet i tried to derive the eq for momentum of a system.So this is the momentum of the system i found. Now i know that going from rest to rest change of momentum must be zero . But i have internal and external forces. So don't know how to proceed
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There is someething with internal forces you need to exploit here. has to do with one of the Newton laws...:
what is the effect of an internal force on the motion of the system ?
 
BvU said:
There is someething with internal forces you need to exploit here. has to do with one of the Newton laws...:
what is the effect of an internal force on the motion of the system ?
Its zero the rest of the math is ok? SO the double sum is zero.
 
Can't read the small writing. What I hinted at is action = - reaction so the internal forces can't influence the center of mass of the system
 

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