Prove Triangle ABC has Angle BAC = 72 Degrees

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The discussion revolves around the problem of proving that angle BAC in triangle ABC equals 72 degrees, given that AD is the angle bisector of angle BAC and that sides AB and CD are equal. Participants explore the sufficiency of the provided information and the implications of various constructions related to the triangle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a previous solution to the problem but expresses uncertainty about whether the information provided is sufficient to construct a unique triangle.
  • Another participant challenges the problem's validity by suggesting a construction involving a right triangle that leads to a different angle, questioning the necessity of the angle being 72 degrees.
  • A different participant speculates that the solution may involve concepts related to the golden ratio or a pentagram, indicating a potential geometric connection.
  • One participant concludes that there is insufficient information to solve the problem, demonstrating this through a construction that shows the angle could be arbitrary, thus questioning the completeness of the original question.
  • A later reply introduces an additional condition, stating that angle ABC equals twice angle BCA, suggesting that this might provide the necessary information to solve the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the sufficiency of the information provided in the problem. Some believe the question lacks necessary details, while others propose various constructions and hypotheses without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem may be incomplete, as the construction of triangle ABC can lead to varying angles depending on the arbitrary nature of the angles involved. The introduction of an additional condition later in the discussion may change the context but does not resolve the initial concerns about the problem's completeness.

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Hey guys,

This is NOT homework. I remember solving this question many years ago (at least 10 years ago). I am trying to recall the solution again and am just not able to. The question is -

In a triangle ABC, AD is the angle bisector of angle BAC. AB = CD. Prove that angle BAC = 72 degrees.

A diagram is attached.


NOTE - I am actually not even sure the question has enough information as given. I am just recalling from memory. If you think more information is required give an appropriate reason as to why you think that is true.

Usually, the way I see if the question has enough information is that I try to construct a triangle given the above properties. If I can construct a unique triangle, then of course the information is enough. Else not.

Anyway, give it a try.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpvei01hw1nr25l/2012-06-06%2000.39.06.jpg
 
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Looks like non-sense to me. Do this: draw a right triangle, ABC, with right angle at A. At vertex C, use a protractor with radius set at length AB to mark point D on BC. D will be between B and C because the length of a leg of right triangle is always less than the length of the hypotenuse. You now have exactly the situation shown in your picture but the angle is 90 degrees, not 72. Clearly that can be done taking any acute angle at A.
 
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Looks like non-sense to me. Do this: draw a right triangle, ABC, with right angle at A. At vertex C, use a protractor with radius set at length AB to mark point D on BC. D will be between B and C because the length of a leg of right triangle is always less than the length of the hypotenuse. You now have exactly the situation shown in your picture but the angle is 90 degrees, not 72. Clearly that can be done taking any acute angle at A.

Well, but with that construction AD will not be the angle bisector of angle A.
 
72 degrees is 1/5 of a circle, or the complementary angle of a pentagram. My guess is that the solution will involve a pentagram or star of some sort.
 
this sounds very much like golden ratio
 
Hi guys,

I figured out the problem with the question. There is not enough information to solve this problem. You can see this by doing the following construction. Draw the line AD first (This can be any length, for this argument atleast). Now draw the two equal angles BAD and DAC on either side of AD. Again, the angle could take any value. Extend the sides AB and AC such that BDC forms a straight line and BD = DC.

Now, in this triangle, AB > CD. Now rotate the side BDC around the point D such that the length of CD increases and that of AB decreases. We can always do this. Since the rotation is continuous, we will always have some angle of rotation at which AB = CD.

We then have constructed exactly the triangle described above! Since the angle is arbitrary, the question is incomplete.

I now recall what the original question was. There was an additional given -

angle ABC = 2 X angle BCA

Try and solve it now!
 

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