Proving 0<1 with Axioms: A+B=B+A, A.B=B.A, and More!

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In summary, the conversation discusses various axioms for addition and multiplication, as well as the concept of order between numbers. The goal is to prove the statement 0<1 using only the given axioms. This problem may seem routine, but it raises the question of whether a better axiomatization of integers can be developed.
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Given the following axioms:

For all A,B,C:

1) A+B=B+A

2) A+(B+C) =(A+B)=C

3) A.B=B.A

4) A.(B.C) = (A.B).C

5) A.(B+C)= A.B+A.C

6) A+0=A

7) A.1=A

8) A+(-A)=1

9) A.(-A)=0

10) Exactly one of the following:
A<B or B<A or A=B

11) A<B => A.C<B.C

12 \(\displaystyle 1\neq 0 \)

Then prove using only the above axioms: 0<1
 
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solakis said:
9) A.(-A)=0
Do you mean $A\cdot0=0$? Also, don't you have an axiom that addition respects the order?

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Then prove using only the above axioms: 0<1
This page has some proof. Also, several proof assistants have this theorem in their libraries, but they may use a number of lemmas, i.e., their proofs may not be the shortest.

Why are such problems interesting to you? After looking at several examples, they seem routine. It may be interesting to develop a new, somehow better axiomatization of integers, for example, but axiomatization of rings and fields seems good enough.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Do you mean $A\cdot0=0$? Also, don't you have an axiom that addition respects the order?

This page has some proof. Also, several proof assistants have this theorem in their libraries, but they may use a number of lemmas, i.e., their proofs may not be the shortest.

Why are such problems interesting to you? After looking at several examples, they seem routine. It may be interesting to develop a new, somehow better axiomatization of integers, for example, but axiomatization of rings and fields seems good enough.

No.

A.(-A) =0 ,but you can prove : A.0 =0

The above is a mix of axiomatics.

And the question is :

Can we prove : 0<1 w.r.t the above axiomatics,since w.r.t the axiom 10 we can have i<0 ,o<1,1=0??
 
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1. How can 0 be less than 1?

Although it may seem counterintuitive, with the proper understanding of axioms and mathematical logic, it is possible to prove that 0 is indeed less than 1.

2. What are axioms and how do they relate to the concept of proving 0<1?

Axioms are basic assumptions or principles that are accepted without proof in a particular field of study, such as mathematics. In order to prove that 0 is less than 1, we use axioms as the foundation of our logical reasoning.

3. Can you provide an example of an axiom that can be used to prove 0<1?

One example of an axiom that can be used to prove 0<1 is the axiom of trichotomy, which states that for any two real numbers, either one is greater than the other, or they are equal. In this case, 0 and 1 are real numbers, and since 1 is greater than 0, we can conclude that 0<1.

4. Is it possible to prove 0<1 without using axioms?

No, it is not possible to prove 0<1 without using axioms. Axioms provide the necessary starting point for logical reasoning and without them, it would be difficult to prove any mathematical statement.

5. Why is it important to prove 0<1 with axioms?

Proving 0<1 with axioms helps to establish a solid mathematical foundation and ensures that the statement is true based on accepted principles. It also allows for consistency in mathematical reasoning and helps to prevent errors or contradictions in mathematical proofs.

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