Proving 139/159 is Not an Upper Bound for E = {(14n + 11)/(16n + 19): n ε N}

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The problem involves proving that 139/159 is not an upper bound for the set of real numbers defined by E = {(14n + 11)/(16n + 19): n ε N}. Participants are exploring the implications of this assertion within the context of real analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to find a positive integer n such that the expression (14n + 11)/(16n + 19) exceeds 139/159. There is some debate about whether it is necessary to find integers both below and above this value or just one that satisfies the condition.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the approach to take. Some clarity has been offered regarding the requirement to find any integer n that results in a value greater than 139/159, rather than focusing on finding the closest integer.

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There is an emphasis on the natural number constraint for n, which is central to the problem. Participants are navigating the implications of this constraint in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Prove that 139/159 is not an upper bound for the set of real numbers:

E ={(14n + 11)/(16n + 19): n ε N}


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Right so I let 14n + 11 = 139 and I got n=9.14. Since n is supposed to be natural and the answer I got for n isn't, can I deduce that 139/159 is not an upper bound for E?
 
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You have to find a positive integer such that if you plug it into (14n + 11)/(16n + 19) you get a number greater than 139/159.

 
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Hey shortydeb thanks for the quick reply.

That is what I originally thought but do I not need to get a number n that lies before and after 139/159 but not exactly on it? Its very tedious work if that is the case :/
 
Set (14n + 11)/(16n + 19) equal to 139/159 and see what you get for n.
 
teme92 said:
Hey shortydeb thanks for the quick reply.

That is what I originally thought but do I not need to get a number n that lies before and after 139/159 but not exactly on it? Its very tedious work if that is the case :/

No. All you need do is find an integer n giving the fraction > 139/159. You do not need to find the "best" or "nearest" n, or anything like that.
 
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Ok I get it now so. Thanks for the help much appreciated
 

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