Proving a^2 or b^2 is Less than or Equal to n

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the inequality that either a² or b² is less than or equal to n, given that n = ab. Participants explore different approaches to the proof, including the use of trichotomy and comparisons between a and b. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the trichotomy of a and b: a < b, a = b, or a > b.
  • Another participant attempts to outline a proof based on the cases of equality and inequality, stating that if a = b, then n = a² or b².
  • A participant points out that for the cases where a > b or b > a, the reasoning should focus on showing that a² or b² is less than n, rather than greater.
  • Further clarification is provided by suggesting that when a > b, multiplying by b should be used to derive the inequality.
  • A revised approach is proposed, indicating that if a > b, then ba > b², leading to n > b², and similarly for the case where b > a.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to prove the inequality but have not reached a consensus on the specific steps or methods to use in the proof. Multiple competing views on the approach remain.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationships between a and b are not fully explored, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed proofs.

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Suppose n=ab, show that a^2<=n or b^2<=n.
 
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Start with trichotomy: a < b, a = b, or a > b. It's pretty simple.
 
I'm fairly new to proofs, so can you please check if this is correct.

if a=b, n=a^2 or b^2=n
if a>b, a^2>ab, a^2>n
if b>a, b^2>ab, b^2>n
 
What you write is correct, though for the last two you should really use the opposite variable (and reverse signs) because you're trying to show that something's smaller, not bigger.
 
Try multiplying a > b by b instead of by a.
 
so it should be like this then:

if a>b, ba>b^2, n>b^2
if b>a, ab>a^2, n>a^2
 

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