Proving A,B and C are Collinear

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The discussion revolves around proving that points A, B, and C are collinear using vector analysis. The position vectors of the points are provided, and participants explore various methods to establish collinearity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the vectors representing the points and consider proving collinearity through ratios of vector components. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the problem and the methods to use, including the dot product and cross product approaches.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to prove collinearity, with some participants suggesting specific vector operations. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of ratios and the implications of parallel vectors. Participants are actively engaging with the problem without reaching a final consensus.

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Participants note the ambiguity in the phrase "use vectors to" and discuss potential constraints in the problem setup, including the need for a concise proof format as indicated by textbook guidelines.

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If A, B and C all lie on the same line, then what can you say about the direction of the lines, AB,AC ?
 
Hey. Heres the question:

Points A, B and C have position vectors 3i-j, -i+15j and 9i-25j respectively. Use vectors to prove that A, B and C are collinear.

Ive drawn a diagram:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b74251caf2.gif

a=3i-j
b=-i+15j
c=9i-25j

So pretty much, i think i need to prove that [tex]\overrightarrow{BA}=h\overrightarrow{BC}[/tex]

Ive found that
[tex]\overrightarrow{BA}=\overrightarrow{BO}+\overrightarrow{OA}[/tex]
[tex]=-b+a[/tex]
[tex]=4i-16j[/tex]

[tex]\overrightarrow{BC}=\overrightarrow{BO}+\overrightarrow{OC}[/tex]
[tex]=-b+c[/tex]
[tex]=10i-40j[/tex]

From that, i can see that the i and j components have a set ratio. ie. i:j = 1:4.

For this question, what would i write as my final proof that the three points are collinear? I would use the answers page in my textbook, but it doesn't give answers to questions that are more than 1 line :devil:

Thanks in advance,
Dan.
 
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You solution is correct up to the same ratio bit.
Thereafter, sinmply say that, because of the same ratio,
|BC| is a multiple of |AB|
hence BC and AB are parallel.
Since they share a common point, B, then they are collinear.


BTW, your sketch looks like it has OA at (3i + j) rather than (3i - j)
 
ok thanks very much for that.

And yea, i made a mistake in my sketch.
 
Hmm...
Is there an example in the text somewhere?
Since 'use vectors to' is pretty vauge, you can do this a bunch of ways.

For example, you could use the dot product
[tex]\frac{(\vec{b}-\vec{c}) \cdot (\vec{a}-\vec{b})}{| (\vec{b}-\vec{c})| |(\vec{a}-\vec{b})|}=\pm 1[/tex]
or the cross product
[tex](\vec{b}-\vec{c}) \times (\vec{a}-\vec{b}) = \vec{0}[/tex]

Or you could show that all the vectors are on the line
[tex]y=-4x+11[/tex]

Or your drawing works
 
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