Proving a Fact About Exact Differentials

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The discussion revolves around proving that the differential form P dx + Q dy is exact under certain conditions related to the functions P and Q defined on a disc D. The context involves continuous partial derivatives and the relationship between line integrals and exact differentials.

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  • Participants explore the definition of exact differentials and the implications of the condition Q_x = P_y. There are attempts to derive a function g(x, y) that satisfies the necessary conditions. Some participants question the setup of the function and the implications of the hint provided.

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There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between the line integral and the conditions for exactness. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the function g and its derivatives, while others have raised questions about the implications of the results derived from Green's theorem.

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Participants note potential misprints in the problem statement and discuss the implications of continuity and the behavior of functions under integration. The discussion also touches on the necessity of proving certain conditions for the functions involved.

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[SOLVED] Proving a Fact About Exact Differentials

Problem. Let D be a disc and let P and Q be functions on D with continuous partial derivatives with respect to x and y. Let C be any closed curve in D.

Given the fact that

\int_C (P \, dx + Q \, dy) = 0 \leftrightarrow Q_x = P_y

show that P dx + Q dy is an exact differential. (Hint: Let (a, b) be any point in D and set

g(x, y) = \int_a^b P(t, b) \, dt + \int_b^y Q(a, s) \, ds

Show that g is the desired function.

Attempt. P dx + Q dy is an exact differential if there is a function g(x, y) with g_x = P and g_y = Q. So if I take the partial derivative with respect to x of the function g defined in the hint, I should get P right?

Let p be the anti-derivative of P with respect to the first variable and let q be the anti-derivative of Q with respect to the second variable. Then by the fundamental theorem of calculus

g(x, y) = p(x, b) - p(a, b) + q(a, y) - q(a, b)

and so g_x(x, y) = p_x(x, b) = P(x, b)[/tex] right? The problem here is that there's a b instead of a y. I'm mostly likely doing something terrible wrong here because I haven't used the fact stated in the problem. Help!
 
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Problem. Let D be a disc and let P and Q be functions on D with continuous partial derivatives with respect to x and y. Let C be any closed curve in D.

Given the fact that

\int_C (P \, dx + Q \, dy) = 0 \leftrightarrow Q_x = P_y

show that P dx + Q dy is an exact differential. (Hint: Let (a, b) be any point in D and set

g(x, y) = \int_a^b P(t, b) \, dt + \int_b^y Q(a, s) \, ds
I assume this was supposed to be
g(x, y) = \int_a^x P(t, b) \, dt + \int_b^y Q(a, s) \, ds


Show that g is the desired function.

Attempt. P dx + Q dy is an exact differential if there is a function g(x, y) with g_x = P and g_y = Q. So if I take the partial derivative with respect to x of the function g defined in the hint, I should get P right?

Let p be the anti-derivative of P with respect to the first variable and let q be the anti-derivative of Q with respect to the second variable. Then by the fundamental theorem of calculus

g(x, y) = p(x, b) - p(a, b) + q(a, y) - q(a, b)

and so g_x(x, y) = p_x(x, b) = P(x, b)[/tex] right? The problem here is that there's a b instead of a y. I'm mostly likely doing something terrible wrong here because I haven't used the fact stated in the problem. Help!
<br /> If that &quot;b instead of an a&quot; is in the book and not your mistake, then it is a misprint in the book!
 
HallsofIvy said:
I assume this was supposed to be
g(x, y) = \int_a^x P(t, b) \, dt + \int_b^y Q(a, s) \, ds

Right. Sorry for the typo. That is what screwed me up. It should be:

g(x, y) = \int_a^x P(t, b) \, dt + \int_b^y Q(x, s) \, ds

And so

g_x(x, y) = P_x(x, b) + \int_b^y Q_x(x, s) \, ds

I apply the fact that Q_x = P_y and simplify to get that g_x(x,y) = P(x,y). Similarly, g_y(x,y) = Q(x,y) and thus P dx + Q dy is an exact differential.
 
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One more problem: If Q_x = P_y, it is easy to show that the line integral of P dx + Q dy around any closed curve is 0 by applying Green's theorem. However, the converse does not seem to be necessarily true.
 
From Green's theorem,

\int_C (P \, dx + Q \, dy) = \iint_R (Q_x - P_y) \, dx dy

Given that the above is 0, then

\iint_R Q_x \, dx dy = \iint_R P_y \, dx dy

This is as much as I can deduce. How is it possible to further deduce this into Q_x = P_y?
 
The problem of my previous two posts were discussed in class today. The prof. said that because the double integral is 0 for any region R, the function Q_x - P_y must be 0.

This sounds reasonable. I would like to examine this idea for the one-dimensional case. Let f(x) be a function continuous on a domain D. Now suppose for any interval (a,b) in D,

\int_a^b f(x) \, dx = 0

To prove that f(x) = 0, I have to show that for any x in D, f(x) = 0. Arguing by contradiction, suppose for some c, f(c) is not 0. Because f is continuous,

\lim_{x \to c} f(x) = f(c)

Thus, for any e > 0, there is a d > 0 such that for all x with c - d < x < c + d, f(c) - e < f(x) < f(c) + e. Therefore,

2d(f(c) - e) = \int_{c-d}^{c+d} f(c) - e \, dx &lt; \int_{c-d}^{c+d} f(x) \, dx &lt; \int_{c-d}^{c+d} f(c) + e \, dx = 2d(f(c) + e)

For e << f(c), if f(c) is positive, f(c) - e and f(c) + d are both positive and so the integral in the middle must be positive. If f(c) is negative, then the middle integral is negative. This is a contradiction as that integral should be 0. Hence, for all values of x in D, f(x) = 0.

That's cool. Concerning the problem in the previous two posts, the region R enclosed by C may be described as the points (x, y) such that x is in the interval (a, b) and y is in the interval (c, d). In this manner,

\iint_R Q_x - P_y \, dxdy = \int_c^d \int_a^b Q_x(x, y) - P_y(x, y) \, dx dy = 0

This is true for every region R enclosed by a curve C in the domain D. Thus, the bounds of the outer integral range over the domain of x-values in D and the bounds of the inner integral range over the domain in y-values of D.

This implies that the inner integral must equal 0 and consequently, that Q_x - P_y = 0.

I think this explanation is sound. I will mark this thread as solved.
 
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